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so chris o'brien would you ever consider

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taking a one-way journey to mars no but

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there's been a few times i wouldn't mind

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sending you

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well i think

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no do tell you know part of the thing is

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i think most of you know there's this

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program afoot

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we're not sure we could get people back

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it would be one way we would set up a

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colony there

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and i guess build a place where future

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visitors to mars can go they're talking

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about this happening say 10 15 years

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so you have to recruit people who

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actually would be willing to give up

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their lives on earth go to an uncertain

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and if it succeeded somehow taming

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the red planet so they could survive

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and i think of the terraforming involved

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for example remember the movie total

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recall 1990 movie directed by paul

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verhoeven starring schwarzenegger

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and sharon stone

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mars doesn't have a breathable

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but then if we have a secret space

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program we don't have to worry about

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that do we

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yeah we'll just send matt damon

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one of the the one percenters we'll send

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i thought of this because on the howard

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finalists the 100 finalists to go on

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this mission then again we're making

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the elon musk company he's the guy also

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came from paypal and he has the tesla

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car company they sent

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a spaceship and it landed vertically

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back on earth just like you saw in the

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1950s sci-fi movies they actually found

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a way to make that work successfully so

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unfortunately not like we really want

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that our discussion about how to talk to

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an aliens would be very controversial

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it looks to me like a lot of people

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us enough to communicate with us they'd

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remotely necessary we have those what uh

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universal translators right yeah why not

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why not have a new universal translator

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maybe in a few years having that kind of

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instead siri would take it over or for

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would take it over or google now would

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but surely very close what ten years

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you know they just for instance 3d

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and i tried to arrange to get one in

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here for testing but right now it's

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fairly simple

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time soon to use that for building spare

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plans you need a computer program that

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contains the plans

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at that point in the future and i'll

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plus model in gold okay fine

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punch it up here's your money there it

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now as i was thinking of that title i go

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back to

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the origins of my tech blog

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the tech night owl of course we have a

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live

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you know i know both of you are aware of

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it and maybe only dimly

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but here's how it goes back in 1999 i

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was setting up my first blog before

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there was such a thing as a blog or a

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wordpress or anything like that and it

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came out of writing books about aol

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setting up your own personal website so

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this is my personal website i'll put

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some articles on it we need a name for

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the website not just genesteinberg.com

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which exists by the way but it just

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points to other stuff

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we wanted a name

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and my wife says you know what

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you're up early in the morning or late

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at night you're writing books you're

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listening to paranormal talk radio i was

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listening to coast to coast then not

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realizing seven years later i'd be here

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doing

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the power cast but any case and an art

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bell getting new gigs and quitting two

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months later

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but anyway she said call yourself night

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owl okay i am technical so that's how it

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began i don't know if there's any

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synchronicity involved but mike owls in

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general

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have a rich

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backstory lots of meanings it's not just

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a bird

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it's the wise old owl it signifies

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something that may have happened might

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be happening why do we have this

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thing about owls that

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is so rich with possibilities

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well there's a few reasons that owls are

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so

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ever present in mythology and one of

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them i mean on a very simple level owls

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just you know look intense i mean i've

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talked to people now present day they

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tell me stories simply you know there's

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nothing paranormal in these stories at

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all they say they saw an owl and they

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say it in a way that is filled with

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reverence i mean it's

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the the owl has a an aura about it it

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has great big eyes and it is different

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than seeing

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you know a bunny rabbit or a deer i mean

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an owl has a presence even among other

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birds you know very majestic birds like

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eagles

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and hawks don't have the same

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sort of mythic power as an owl and i

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think that's because it's very rare to

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see an owl right you know they're night

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birds

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so

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we simply it's simply hard to see them

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at night so you never hear them because

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they have silent they have feathers that

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i think are hollow that allow them to

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fly silently yeah the feathers are are

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on the leading edge of the feather i

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think i've got this correct on the

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leading edge of their flight feathers is

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sort of

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the the actual edge of the feather

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is kind of frilly it kind of has a has

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like almost like a downy quality right

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on the leading edge and for some reason

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that allows them to fly very quietly

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also they have really big wings

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and like an airplane with big wings

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let's say a piper super cub has very

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very large wings compared to its

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size that allows that plane to fly

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extremely slowly

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so you know owls can fly slow so they

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don't have a lot of wind turbulence as

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well as these specialized feathers which

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allow for even quieter flight and then

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the shape of their bodies themselves

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these big the the illusion is that

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they're a big bulky bird if you see them

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without without any feathers they're

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just kind of a skinny little they they

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look like a vulture or something like

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that there's there's nothing that

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interesting about them when you see them

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with their feathers off it's the big fat

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plumage that allows for that silent

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flight so yes so and i would also say

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just jump the the majority of ufo

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sightings the people will report that

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the sightings of a ufo is eerily silent

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the same way you know someone might

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describe seeing an owl in flight the owl

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has a rich mythology that goes way back

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and this comes from

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any ancient culture would be able to

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know that the you know the owl as a

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night bird can see into the darkness and

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it can fly around in the darkness and

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that then becomes a metaphor for seeing

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into other realms as well as traveling

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into other realms into the land of the

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dead into the

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the land of the you know the great

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mysteries so the owl in many ways is the

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totem of the shaman because that's what

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a shaman would do would would travel you

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know either through meditation or

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through rhythmic dancing or through

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psychedelic drugs that shaman would

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travel to these other realms

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and then come back with a message then

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that's in a way

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what the owl

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signifies

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symbolically you know the owl will often

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deliver a message and as i was working

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on this book it's kind of hard you know

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somebody says hey what are you working

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on oh i'm working on a book and then

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they'll say

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what kind of book and

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and you open up the ufo can of worms and

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you're sort of stuck there and maybe

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you'll lose a friend over it or maybe

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somebody maybe not lose a friend but

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so oftentimes people would ask me as i

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was working on this book what are you

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working on i'm like oh i'm working on a

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book on owls and they're like oh that

519
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sounds interesting what about owls and i

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would say it's a book on owl mythology

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and that that that feels correct you

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00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:39,520
know that's not that's not lying but it

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was definitely the focus of the book is

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on the ufo stuff but i would say owl

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mythology because my

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my premise in the book in a way is that

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the owls

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are

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still displaying their ancient mythology

530
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it happens to be showing up now

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for

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people with ufo contact experiences

533
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:02,080
abductees will tell of very unusual

534
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stories involving owls and and this

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00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:07,679
would hearken back to

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uh the story of the owl in in other

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traditions whether it be shamanism or

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surrounding death

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or

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surrounding like you know deep inner

541
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work you know the owl seems to show up

542
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:21,520
and is a totem of these uh experiences

543
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is it something to fear

544
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something to revere or that depends on

545
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the experience

546
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well i guess that depends on the

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experience and traditions i mean

548
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especially yeah i mean you go to uh you

549
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know greece where the owl is is uh you

550
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know the symbol of athens in the owl

551
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there's nothing there's nothing

552
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frightening about the owl the owl traces

553
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:44,000
back to the goddess minerva the goddess

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of wisdom she had a companion little owl

555
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:47,679
uh she's often depicted either with an

556
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owl on her wrist or on her shoulder or

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nearby

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uh the parthenon in athens where the the

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the temple of athena

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on the acropolis that was uh

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said to be in the roof line the rafters

562
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of the acropolis were said to be um

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filled with

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with owls

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and you know so where did that come

566
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first did did the athena's uh

567
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companion owl come first or did the the

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uh owls living in the temple of athena

569
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you know sort of generate that mythology

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um

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so

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you go to uh like an indian reservation

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in north dakota you might hear some very

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very frightening

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and ominous mythology about owls uh you

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know

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in in athens

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uh

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from what i have found i've actually

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found very few accounts

581
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that

582
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point to something ominous i have some

583
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and i know some people have had some

584
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experiences where now will show up and

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then their luck will change and things

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will get really bad

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or a death will occur

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i've found it almost you know those

589
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stories are out there but those seem

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outnumbered by um

591
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and i'm not gonna say it's a positive

592
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thing or an optimistic thing it's more

593
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that the owl represents in a way

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uh know the deeper challenges you know

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in a life

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or uh

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you know a long life's path you know

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you're confronted with with profound

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challenges and that would be almost

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you know what uh

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the experience that people

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the ufo contact experience would be

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could be seen as as a you know profound

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life-altering challenge and then you

605
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know the owl appears as a totem and of

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way

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this may not be a life-altering message

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but we've got to present it we've got my

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cleland with gene and chris you're in

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author of 877-223-1776 ufo encyclopedia

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in other books you're listening to the

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peercast

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okay i am the night owl he is mike

721
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clelland and we got chris o'brien the

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book is called the messengers now when

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you chose that title

724
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mike cleland did you consider a famous

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book from jacques valet messengers of

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deception

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you know actually i didn't and it's

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funny there's a few other books out

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there that with actually the title of

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the messengers and they don't really

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seem to overlap so i didn't worry too

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much about it was pretty simple i wanted

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a i wanted a simple title

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that um that wasn't too wordy i guess

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and you know because the wordiness i

736
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guess comes in the subtitle which is all

737
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synchronicity in the ufo abductee you

738
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:58,799
know that just was a word that kept on

739
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showing up in these reports you know

740
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like

741
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or you know the owl was a messenger and

742
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i and i heard what it was trying to say

743
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um so those were coming up enough in the

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reports that i recognized and also in uh

745
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you know just the research end of it you

746
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know the the mythology end of it you

747
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know i'll would often be referred to as

748
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a messenger so it just had a very it was

749
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it was a nice short quick title and i

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and i preferred that over something sort

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of long and and uh sort of explanatory

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in the title

753
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all right let's personalize it here

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are there experiences in your life

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that led you to this because you have a

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chapter in your book in chapter one a

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section entitled i'm the owl guy why is

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mike cleland the owl guy well so the

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reason i'm the owl guy is because uh i

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have been documenting and putting on my

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blog on my online blog writing essays

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and articles

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about

764
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ufos and owls together and what happens

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is i've done it enough that if you

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google

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ufos and owls just those two words my

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name comes up it's first on the list and

769
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it comes up i haven't done in a while

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but it's like the first seven things

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that come up so if anyone anyone in the

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anywhere in the world sits down their

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computer and just a couple mouse clicks

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away you know and they've had a owl

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experience that's somehow tied in with

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the ufo experience and they're wondering

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about it they're going to find me

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quickly

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and so i've been at the receiving end of

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a lot of of a lot of

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amazing

782
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uh reports are coming into me that i

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just am you know i feel pretty honored

784
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that i'm that i'm

785
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cataloging these things and and you know

786
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having a chance to interact and talk

787
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with these people

788
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this all traces back to a set of

789
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personal experiences i had so the

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foundation

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of my research

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is

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i was confronted with some very strange

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owl sightings in october well really

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september i think of 2006

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which is a little less than 10 years ago

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now so i was confronted with a bunch of

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owl sightings that kind of blew my mind

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and really

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set me off kilter in a way you know all

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of a sudden i was like wow if these

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things are really happening this is

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really strange it's beyond coincidence

804
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that i'm seeing this many owls

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and so this was right at the same time

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this overlapped with my own

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looking into my own

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ufo memories

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which had been bothering me and so

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uh right around 2006 2007 i started

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looking into my own experiences and it

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felt like the floodgates opened i

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started seeing so many owls and i

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started having so many synchronicities

815
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and it was you know it was at the the

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source was my own inner work but uh so

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what i would do whenever i talk to

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anyone who had a ufo experience or at a

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ufo conference or something one of the

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questions i would ask and i i asked this

821
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of chris i said have you ever had an owl

822
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:52,559
experience um

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and

824
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it's not 100 it's certainly not 100 but

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it's enough that there's a pattern and i

826
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just realized that there was a wealth of

827
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stories here

828
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and so yes why am i the owl guys because

829
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i'm cataloging collecting these stories

830
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uh we can talk about the the initial

831
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,600
experience if you want well you open the

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floodgates let's talk about them the

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initial experience

834
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,840
okay so so uh so 10 years ago a little

835
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less than 10 years ago nine and a half

836
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,200
years ago i was in

837
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living in idaho right near grand teton

838
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national park and i had been doing a lot

839
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of camping i worked for an outdoor

840
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school

841
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and

842
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i was spending a lot of time in the

843
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mountains and then at the school there

844
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was a young woman there that that was um

845
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,640
that i befriended and i just started a

846
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conversation with her and i said she she

847
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,159
was it was uh september so it was late

848
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in the season summer was ending and i

849
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,919
said oh you've been here all summer and

850
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:43,279
i said you must have camped a lot i said

851
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:44,480
no no i haven't camped at all this

852
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,679
summer i'm like that's terrible it's

853
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:47,279
beautiful camping right here listen i go

854
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:48,799
out all the time i do you know i go out

855
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,200
for one night i sleep under the stars if

856
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there's no reason to bring a shelter you

857
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:54,159
know the weather seems nice there's no

858
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:55,279
reason to take a shelter we'll sleep out

859
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:56,559
under the stars and if you want to go

860
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:58,960
i'll take you camping she said sure so

861
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:01,279
this was in a funny way sort of a first

862
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:02,720
date in a way

863
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i was gonna say what a great pickup line

864
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yeah well

865
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:07,440
so so uh

866
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so we went into the mountains her name

867
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:11,120
was kristen or his kristen

868
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and uh

869
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so if you leave in the afternoon and i

870
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was i've also i do a lot of stuff with a

871
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very light backpack you know so you

872
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:18,960
don't need to carry a lot of stuff for

873
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one night and especially if you don't

874
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have a shelter and our plan was just to

875
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be out by you know lunchtime the

876
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following day so we left you know in the

877
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evening late afternoon early evening and

878
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in a couple of hours you can get pretty

879
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:31,679
far into the mountains so we arrived at

880
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,919
this beautiful spot and um

881
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:36,080
clear calm night and the sun was setting

882
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,919
and i think if i remember correctly a

883
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:39,600
full moon was rising

884
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:40,480
and

885
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:41,600
she

886
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,640
was cooking with a little camp stove

887
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,559
something i feel very comfortable doing

888
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:48,000
and we were having this conversation

889
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:49,120
that came a point in the conversation

890
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:50,480
where i was just kind of struck i was

891
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,240
like oh my this woman is really

892
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:54,399
remarkable there's something about her

893
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:55,279
that was

894
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:57,919
that left me kind of uh impressed

895
00:33:02,470 --> 00:32:59,840
so

896
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,480
right at that moment an owl flew over us

897
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and then a second owl

898
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and then a third owl

899
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,039
and for about the next hour maybe over

900
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:11,120
an hour as the sun was setting these

901
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,880
owls would fly around on branches you

902
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,399
know and land on branches nearby they

903
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,000
would fly right over us they would swoop

904
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,080
down right above us they would land on

905
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,080
the ground very close to us

906
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,840
and uh when it came time to lie down to

907
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:23,279
go to sleep you know we would just it

908
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,600
was a lovely calm night and we just laid

909
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our sleeping bags out under the stars

910
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:28,240
and

911
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there was um

912
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,960
there would be a second just a momentary

913
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:35,039
the stars would be blotted out

914
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,799
for just one second

915
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:38,640
and it was it was from the owls it was

916
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,919
totally silent and they were just they

917
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,440
were swooping down low in front of our

918
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:44,080
faces so for one second half a second

919
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:45,039
poof

920
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,880
the the stars would get blotted out and

921
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:48,880
it was it was just a magical experience

922
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,600
so

923
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,760
the after that um

924
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:54,000
we both uh you know thought to them wow

925
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,679
that whole thing was really cool and and

926
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then i

927
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said listen if i go out camping again

928
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,919
i'll give you a call and she said great

929
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:01,279
so four days later i called her up and

930
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,399
said let's do the same thing let's go to

931
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:03,919
a different spot we'll go out camping

932
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,559
and so the next time we went out uh it

933
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:08,320
was a completely different spot and it

934
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,679
was a little colder that night and we

935
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,440
had a shelter with us so i said hey

936
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,119
before we climb into the tent let's uh

937
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:15,040
let's go climb that hillside and watch

938
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:16,240
the sunset

939
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:18,560
because uh because we'll warm up right

940
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:20,079
it's chilly now if we stand here and

941
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:21,599
climb into the tent we'll just be cold

942
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:23,119
and so let's you know let's do some

943
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:24,720
exercise get up to the top of that hill

944
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,079
watch the sunset and come back and be

945
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,639
warm she said great so we walk up

946
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,240
just as the sun is setting just as we

947
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:32,000
arrive at the top of this hill wasn't

948
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,760
you know it was a beautiful amazing view

949
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:35,520
of the of the mountains

950
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,040
um

951
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,440
an owl lands on a tree branch

952
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:41,280
another one flies above us

953
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,800
and then a third one sort of lands in

954
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,639
the ground near us and for the 45

955
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,879
minutes or so these three owls

956
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,879
fly around it's not convinced there's no

957
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:50,159
way to know this they're convinced

958
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,679
they're this they were the same three

959
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,919
owls completely different spot in the in

960
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:54,720
the

961
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range

962
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,960
not that far apart maybe three miles

963
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,800
apart but uh

964
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:02,960
so

965
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:04,960
after that to have it happen once was

966
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,119
pretty cool to have it happened twice

967
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,079
within four days kind of freaked me out

968
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:12,240
and and it started me on this

969
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:13,440
uh

970
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:16,560
quest of you know looking into owls in

971
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,920
their mythology and what does it mean

972
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:19,680
what's the symbolism i just felt like it

973
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,200
felt so heavy and prescient with meaning

974
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:24,960
with deep meaning and i was it kind of

975
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wigged me out so i

976
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:28,960
um

977
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:32,800
when i started my blog in 2009

978
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,359
i wrote an essay and one of the first

979
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:37,760
blog posts is about this event this uh

980
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,079
you know exactly the story i just told

981
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:41,839
and i had it written up as a diary entry

982
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,839
which nice makes for a nice blog post

983
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,960
but

984
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,800
after i posted it i was like i need to

985
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:48,240
get a hold of kristen she had long since

986
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,760
moved out of the valley and we still

987
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,599
kept in touch over email i said i could

988
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:53,920
get a hold of her and ask her why

989
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,400
or what was going on

990
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:58,640
that first night when she saw the owls

991
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,920
because i wrote it right in the essay

992
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:01,280
that you know she was giving she was

993
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:02,960
talking about something so i got a hold

994
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:05,359
of her and and uh i asked her like

995
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:06,320
kristen what were you talking about

996
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,760
right at the moment the first owls

997
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,680
showed up on that first night camping

998
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and she said oh oh i remember exactly

999
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what i was talking about i was giving my

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most heartfelt definition of what god

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and that took an already

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powerful

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and for me it just pushed it into the

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realm of like transcendent it really

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flipped me out uh

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and

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i'll tell you what let's hold that

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detail for a second

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00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:09,839
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1117
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,720
okay so the owls have taken over chris's

1118
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:24,880
home he's no longer there

1119
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,079
we have those birds with the big eyes

1120
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,079
and they filled his place mike cleland

1121
00:41:34,990 --> 00:41:32,720
the messengers is telling us more

1122
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,000
about this early

1123
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:37,359
multifaceted encounter mike

1124
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,319
so

1125
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,119
the account i just shared took place in

1126
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:44,079
2006 in the autumn of 2006.

1127
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:45,359
i was

1128
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,359
the ufo subject and i had a few

1129
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,079
experiences of my own that were kind of

1130
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,000
telling in their own way and actually we

1131
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,920
talked about those experiences when i

1132
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,839
was on the paracast this is going back

1133
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,240
in 2009. i had a pretty good working

1134
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:02,000
knowledge having read books by you know

1135
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:02,800
um

1136
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,560
whitley strieber and bud hopkins and and

1137
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:08,319
john mack you know that those types of

1138
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,240
books so i was uh when i saw those owls

1139
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,640
in the mountains in the moment looking

1140
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,560
at those owls this is this is an owl

1141
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:18,400
it's you know 18 inches tall it's well

1142
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:19,359
probably less than that about a foot

1143
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:21,040
tall standing on the ground

1144
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,560
i knew

1145
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,160
there was a voice in my head i mean

1146
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,960
there was a there was a very clear

1147
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,280
knowing in my head that said this has

1148
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,440
something to do with the ufos

1149
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,880
uh that was a little embarrassing i

1150
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:34,160
couldn't really say that right in the

1151
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,520
moment i was like well how do you blurt

1152
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:37,920
that out but i knew it i felt it uh

1153
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:40,319
looking at those owls real owls i was

1154
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:41,760
saying to myself this has something to

1155
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:44,800
do with ufos and i didn't know why uh so

1156
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:47,440
that was part of my own

1157
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:50,880
research too that later

1158
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,000
so so they're within the ufo uh

1159
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,800
abduction lore there are accounts of

1160
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:58,400
people who see great big owls right

1161
00:43:02,630 --> 00:42:59,520
they'll be driving down the road at

1162
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,640
night they'll see a uh four foot tall

1163
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,800
owl in the um

1164
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,880
in the road in front of them and then

1165
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:08,560
they'll have you know some missing time

1166
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,760
and all of a sudden they'll get home and

1167
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,440
they'll realize oh this is something odd

1168
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,280
i should have been home at midnight

1169
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,520
instead it's 2 a.m

1170
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,079
so i knew those those screen memory

1171
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,920
stories and when i was looking at these

1172
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:21,520
owls i'm like no these are real owls but

1173
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:24,480
i still was kind of freaked out so there

1174
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:26,800
was even though it was only in my mind i

1175
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,520
had a knowing of the ufo things so

1176
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:31,760
that those experiences

1177
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:35,839
in the the the autumn of 2006 became the

1178
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:38,319
foundation for my own i guess inner

1179
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,760
journey and that that then became the an

1180
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:43,680
online essay that i wrote a couple years

1181
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:45,520
ago that was posted online

1182
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:47,839
which then became this great big thick

1183
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,000
book that you both have

1184
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,079
okay so we're talking here at the

1185
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:54,560
beginning of something that is related

1186
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,440
to ufo related encounters

1187
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:59,839
we are talking about something that is

1188
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,319
somehow tied into

1189
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,640
uh ufo encounters and it is it's a

1190
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:06,240
little murky it took me a lot of i mean

1191
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:07,920
it takes a lot of ink it took me 400

1192
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:10,480
pages nearly to make my point but but

1193
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,079
i'm i'm at this point thoroughly

1194
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:14,400
convinced that there's a connection

1195
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:15,599
i don't know what the connection in but

1196
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:18,319
i is but i know there is a connection uh

1197
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:22,240
between ufos and the uh the owl these

1198
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:23,599
owl sightings

1199
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,400
i i've got a really good uh story that

1200
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:28,960
kind of dovetails nicely

1201
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,119
back in i think it was 95 or 94

1202
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:34,880
fairly early on in my

1203
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,200
investigative process as it unfolded in

1204
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,079
the san luis valley in colorado

1205
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:42,400
i got a call one night

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and

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00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,400
it was in the spring late spring

1208
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:48,400
and somebody called and said there's a

1209
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,480
an invisible ufo landed behind my house

1210
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,560
and i said well how do you know it's

1211
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:56,160
there if it's invisible and they says

1212
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:57,599
because it

1213
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:59,119
it's beeping

1214
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,640
and i said

1215
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,319
what do you mean they said well

1216
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:04,000
it's been going on for almost an hour

1217
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:05,440
and it's just it sounds like a truck

1218
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,800
backing up it's

1219
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:08,160
beep

1220
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:13,280
it's

1221
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,160
there's no variation in the the interval

1222
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:18,400
between the beeps and it's freaking me

1223
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:19,520
out

1224
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,760
can you come over and so i came over and

1225
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,440
i didn't hear anything

1226
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,520
and i thought well this person

1227
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:27,839
maybe has been partying too much or has

1228
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:29,359
some sort of

1229
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,319
i don't know

1230
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:32,160
issues or whatever even though i knew

1231
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,760
them pretty well you know i kind of

1232
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:35,119
joked around and said well sorry you

1233
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,160
know

1234
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,920
i don't hear anything and i went back

1235
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:39,839
home and then i get another call from a

1236
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,720
neighbor

1237
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:42,480
of hers saying

1238
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,040
there's this weird beeping sound uh you

1239
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,200
know near my house and i said well you

1240
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,960
know so and so just called me and said

1241
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:50,400
the same thing

1242
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,920
and so by this time it was getting late

1243
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:53,280
and i didn't want to go out and you know

1244
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,000
have nothing be there again so

1245
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,079
um the following night

1246
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,400
i got a call again from somebody else in

1247
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,240
a different location uh claiming that

1248
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,760
there was this weird beeping sound and

1249
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,760
everybody was convinced it was a ufo i

1250
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,680
mean that was the automatic assumption

1251
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,040
which i found

1252
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,040
very curious and uh

1253
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:12,960
and this person was fairly close to my

1254
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:16,000
house and so i ran outside ran up on the

1255
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:18,079
porch and climbed up on the roof and

1256
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,520
listened very carefully and i heard a

1257
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,359
faint beeping sound and i thought what

1258
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:23,440
the heck is that

1259
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,319
and then right as that ended i heard

1260
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,319
another beeping sound way out in the

1261
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:30,160
distance that i could just barely hear

1262
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,440
and i thought it was my ears playing

1263
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,119
tricks on me

1264
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:35,280
it turns out you know i started doing

1265
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:36,880
some research on this because i was very

1266
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:40,160
intrigued uh it sounded so mechanical

1267
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,160
and so uh just i mean if that

1268
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:46,400
a beep was a was a drummer keep in time

1269
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,440
i mean it would have been the best

1270
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:49,200
drummer in the world it was just so

1271
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,000
mechanical and so perfect and precise

1272
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,240
and so i went to a

1273
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,160
a friend of mine who's a kind of an

1274
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,240
amateur ornithologist and

1275
00:47:01,589 --> 00:47:00,079
worked for the department of interiors a

1276
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:01,599
really brilliant woman

1277
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,160
and she helped me do a research project

1278
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,480
and what did we find out that

1279
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,560
well she did and she came to me and said

1280
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,200
you know this is a rare

1281
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,520
sighting you know out of their range of

1282
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:16,079
the smallest owl it's only about four

1283
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:17,359
inches high

1284
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:20,960
and its mating call is a 45 minute

1285
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,520
beeping sound

1286
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:24,880
that uh

1287
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:27,680
goes on without a hitch for 45 minutes

1288
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,640
and then

1289
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,800
there'll be a response hopefully from

1290
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:32,160
from a female

1291
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,119
and so sure enough we we track these two

1292
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:37,280
owls around uh for the next couple of

1293
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,280
days or nights i should say

1294
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,440
uh we never were able to to spot it and

1295
00:47:47,069 --> 00:47:43,440
it has a weird name it's like a

1296
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,079
pizza no it's a saw wet owl

1297
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,359
s-a-w-w-h-e-t saw wet out yeah i knew it

1298
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:51,599
yeah but very it has this real you know

1299
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:54,079
i heard it and it's the most amazingly

1300
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:55,680
mechanical it's the most mechanical

1301
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,880
sounding thing

1302
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,040
i've ever heard in nature way more than

1303
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,920
a cicada or a cricket or anything

1304
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:03,760
and but they're not supposed to

1305
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,920
be at high altitude in southern uh

1306
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,680
colorado they were quite quite a

1307
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,520
distance outside of their range which i

1308
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,920
found very intriguing but

1309
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,839
the connection to the ufo of course is

1310
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:15,280
everybody that heard this thing you know

1311
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:16,720
if it was near

1312
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,440
were convinced that was a ufo now in the

1313
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:21,119
book there is a chapter right as you

1314
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:22,720
were talking i pulled this the book out

1315
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:25,680
and i'm looking at pages page 223 and

1316
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,200
the chapter is called uh beeping ufos

1317
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:30,880
and it is about exactly what you're

1318
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,680
talking about so so here we have

1319
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:35,520
an overlap you just described an overlap

1320
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:38,720
with owls and ufos okay so an owl

1321
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:41,760
is mistakenly reported as a ufo

1322
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,319
okay so so they're overlapping it's easy

1323
00:48:48,309 --> 00:48:46,240
to dismiss on some levels now here's

1324
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,319
where it gets strange there is a woman

1325
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:50,000
her name is lindy tucker i'm not sure

1326
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:51,920
i'm familiar with her researcher

1327
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,079
lindy has been around for a while yeah

1328
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,000
yeah so lindy tucker has a website which

1329
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,200
is just uh within the last year or so

1330
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:01,119
came online called beeping ufos where

1331
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:02,720
she has been collecting

1332
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:05,760
audio of ufos and oftentimes these are

1333
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,000
people with a microphone looking at a

1334
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,480
hovering ufo hovering flying saucer and

1335
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,160
they are recording in the moment the

1336
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:14,559
noise and the noise is exactly what you

1337
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,359
describe now lindy tucker has been doing

1338
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,599
research where she has been collecting

1339
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:22,079
these recordings of

1340
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,920
ufos this is people you know with a

1341
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,680
recording device where there's a couple

1342
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:27,920
accounts of a cops who were looking at

1343
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,720
ufos hovering flying saucers and at the

1344
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,119
same time hearing this very mechanical

1345
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:35,920
beeping noise it gets strange the air

1346
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,440
force did a study of of which you can't

1347
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:41,119
hear any of these this is in the content

1348
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,079
report they said they acquired

1349
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,640
recordings of ufos and they wrote them

1350
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:49,200
off to the sound of the saw wet owl

1351
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:50,480
exactly what

1352
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:51,280
what

1353
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:52,800
chris was describing

1354
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,680
now

1355
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,280
the recordings

1356
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,359
that lindy had collected there was

1357
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,440
another researcher in the west coast

1358
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:01,359
lindy was in ontario canada there's

1359
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:02,960
another uh the west coast of america and

1360
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:04,319
a guy i think in washington state had

1361
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,760
been collecting audio recordings too

1362
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,200
these were people who you know were

1363
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:11,280
seeing ufos and recording these things

1364
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,640
at the same time

1365
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,240
they uh

1366
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,640
the recordings of

1367
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:18,480
the saw wet owl which are very easy to

1368
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,240
get right just a normal owl you can

1369
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,319
record that kind of thing the ufos are

1370
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:23,680
very difficult to get you would you

1371
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:26,480
would compare these two recordings and

1372
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:29,760
look at the audio signature using

1373
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,520
sound equipment advanced sound equipment

1374
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,920
you would analyze the audio signature

1375
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:35,920
and it was i think his name is ronald

1376
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,960
stearman from the university of texas in

1377
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:41,280
austin in the early 90s did a very

1378
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,960
detailed study of both these sounds back

1379
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:44,880
to back and he concluded that the

1380
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:47,760
beeping noises collected by lindy tucker

1381
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,319
were not saw wet owls

1382
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,160
now we're about a third of the way

1383
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:54,720
through this week's episode but that's

1384
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,000
not all not by a long shot now after the

1385
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,319
power cast ends we'll have more to come

1386
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,480
with after the power cast our wrap-up

1387
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,040
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1388
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,200
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lots coming to learn more about the

1394
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plus.thepowercast.com

1395
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:26,319
so let's continue our discussion with

1396
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,040
mike clelland he's the author of the

1397
00:51:35,830 --> 00:51:31,200
messengers with gene and chris you're in

1398
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,549
[Music]

1399
00:51:45,309 --> 00:51:44,069
thank you for listening to gcn

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it's a thrill-a-minute story you'll

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never forget

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a former u.s military intelligence

1407
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officer is haunted by intense dreams

1408
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,559
about a beautiful woman pleading for his

1409
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help after a terrible battle in outer

1410
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:05,920
space

1411
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,079
but the dreams turn out to be true and

1412
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,079
thrust him into a telepathic love affair

1413
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:12,800
with a woman whose far away planet is

1414
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:15,680
intent on destroying the earth and now

1415
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the gripping tale continues in the

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for over five years you've been hearing

1428
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,880
about the berkey guy so you may know a

1429
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,359
few things about him for example you are

1430
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,680
well aware of the superior quality and

1431
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and accessories but did you know the

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done to prove just how effective they

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1436
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test results just visit goberke.com

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you may also know that the berkey guy

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get better prepared now here's something

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1448
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1449
00:54:03,589 --> 00:53:59,910
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1450
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,599
standard of paranormal radio

1451
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:04,800
and now

1452
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,510
mike cleveland is author of the

1453
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:15,920
messengers and he's putting together

1454
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:18,240
here the background

1455
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:19,200
of

1456
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:21,119
his ufo related experiences go ahead

1457
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,240
please

1458
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:24,960
so lindy tucker researcher has collected

1459
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:27,839
these uh audio recordings

1460
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:31,599
of ufos she had been seeing ufos out her

1461
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,079
back door in orton ontario in uh 1975

1462
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:38,400
and she uh they had been making this

1463
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,720
strange beeping noise so she got a there

1464
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:42,319
was a friend with her also named chris

1465
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:45,839
by the way and they went out and um

1466
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,960
recorded at night they the ufos appeared

1467
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,559
they started making this noise this

1468
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,559
beeping noise she recorded it very loud

1469
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,920
exactly what chris describes very

1470
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:55,680
mechanical very steady

1471
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:58,160
this was then analyzed as i said just

1472
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:01,760
before the break and was determined by

1473
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:03,680
professor ronald stearman at the

1474
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,839
university of texas in austin that they

1475
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,680
were not

1476
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:09,839
the same as a that what she had recorded

1477
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:12,960
was not the same as a

1478
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:15,280
saw wet owl sounded very similar but

1479
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,960
when analyzed the audio signature was

1480
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,880
slightly different now

1481
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,480
it gets very weird here

1482
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:23,040
in that initial recording lindy tucker

1483
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,319
her first recording from 1975 you can

1484
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:28,319
hear it and she she plays it on her

1485
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,000
website this is well worth anyone you

1486
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,119
just google uh beeping ufos a website

1487
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:35,119
will come up these are these recordings

1488
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,119
are all there including recordings of of

1489
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:39,760
uh saw what owls to compare all the data

1490
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,839
is there from from the uh

1491
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:43,839
university of austin study that was done

1492
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,319
in the early 90s now

1493
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:48,400
when you listen to that first

1494
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,599
initial

1495
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,599
recording that lindy made

1496
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:53,040
there's crickets in the background a

1497
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:55,119
little wind rustling in there and there

1498
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:56,799
is also

1499
00:56:02,390 --> 00:55:59,119
the unmistakable hooting of a great

1500
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,400
horned owl so here we have an overlap

1501
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:04,480
of a great horned owl

1502
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,040
and a beeping if if and i've spoken at

1503
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:08,960
length with lindy and i trust that she's

1504
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:11,599
not you know pulling my leg and a ufo

1505
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,599
that is making a beeping noise very

1506
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,520
similar to an owl but there's an overlap

1507
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,200
with a hooting of a great horned island

1508
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:19,920
in in this research i would love to get

1509
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:21,280
a photograph right you get somebody

1510
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:22,480
takes a photograph and they're looking

1511
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,559
up and they you know there's a maybe a

1512
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:26,160
telephone wire with an owl on the

1513
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,680
telephone wire in the background as a

1514
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,599
you know hovering ufo i would love to

1515
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:30,960
get that photograph that does as far as

1516
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:32,960
i know it doesn't exist but i do have

1517
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:34,960
like i did like this audio recording

1518
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,200
exists where this this beeping sound is

1519
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,280
overlapping with

1520
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:41,760
the great horned owl which has the low

1521
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:43,839
baritone hooting that we associated with

1522
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,000
like you know haunted house movies now

1523
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:48,000
one more thing happened so lindy wrote

1524
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,040
up her

1525
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,760
her research and it was published i

1526
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:53,440
think in 92

1527
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:54,559
oh let me just look i'm going to turn

1528
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:55,920
the page here

1529
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,559
94 excuse me she published an article in

1530
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:00,559
1994 in the mufon journal and the title

1531
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:02,799
of the article is tracing sound to ufo

1532
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:03,839
encounters

1533
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,319
and it's an excellent article it's

1534
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,319
easily googled it's on her website

1535
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:10,640
beeping ufos but what she doesn't talk

1536
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:12,960
about on the website and and what i

1537
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:14,960
in my personal conversations with her

1538
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:17,280
she uh this 94 is back in ancient

1539
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,960
history when if you wanted to send

1540
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,880
something to an organization like mufon

1541
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,880
to put in a journal you had to put a

1542
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,079
piece of paper

1543
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:26,400
a stack of papers in an envelope

1544
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,319
and then mail them so that they would

1545
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:29,920
you know so they would receive the

1546
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,640
report she uh had her said her desk was

1547
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,240
messy she was looking for this thing the

1548
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,319
deadline had already was on you know was

1549
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:38,000
on her so she was kind of frantic

1550
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,440
looking for

1551
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:41,440
the the article she had written middle

1552
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,720
of the day

1553
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:44,160
windows are open

1554
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:45,040
she

1555
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:49,200
finds the article

1556
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,960
she puts her finger on the article as

1557
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,640
soon as her finger touches the article

1558
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:55,200
about beeping ufos

1559
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:58,480
the same profound mechanical beeping

1560
00:58:01,589 --> 00:58:00,000
comes in through the open window she

1561
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:01,599
never saw ufo at this event but she

1562
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:03,920
heard the profound beeping coming

1563
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:06,160
through the windows as she found and

1564
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:08,000
touched the article she had written

1565
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:10,960
about beeping ufos then this is this is

1566
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,799
the kind of story

1567
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:14,880
that i i've been trying to document in

1568
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:16,799
this book these stories that have kind

1569
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:19,760
of you know multiple overlapping

1570
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,920
threads and you pull on any one of these

1571
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,240
threads and it just traces back to i

1572
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:26,319
guess almost even more weirdness

1573
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,680
and in a way these are the kind of

1574
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,520
stories i like so it's been a delight

1575
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:31,359
for me to do this research because it's

1576
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:33,839
been just engrossing and fascinating for

1577
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,559
me yeah i love the synchronicity uh

1578
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:39,200
elements that kind of weave all through

1579
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:43,280
your um your work uh it's and and also

1580
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,640
you know you're

1581
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,319
i remember when you called me the one

1582
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:49,200
time prior to uh i think appearing on

1583
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,480
being one of the first guests on your

1584
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:52,240
podcast and

1585
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,079
we had had a parliament of owls that

1586
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,400
appeared in missouri a hundred hundreds

1587
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:57,920
of owls appeared

1588
00:59:01,430 --> 00:59:00,400
on a farm covering fence fence lines and

1589
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:01,440
trees

1590
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:04,720
extremely rare i i didn't even know owls

1591
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:07,760
got together in groups to be honest and

1592
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:09,359
of course a group of owls is called what

1593
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:11,200
a parliament of owls going for or a

1594
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:13,760
wisdom of olives yeah our greek uh or

1595
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:15,760
greek sort of analogy but

1596
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:18,720
uh i remember you drew a line from the

1597
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,839
owls

1598
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:21,680
in the uh to where you were i think in

1599
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,359
idaho and and right at that time uh

1600
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:27,760
i think mac tony's

1601
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,400
apartment was right on that line

1602
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:32,400
and i thought to myself my goodness if i

1603
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:34,960
if i get a protractor out and a ruler

1604
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,520
and i start drawing lines from uh

1605
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:39,599
from events and uh there's the

1606
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,400
synchronistic uh elements of of things

1607
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:44,640
lining up in a straight line and

1608
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:47,599
and um andrew owen i think that's how

1609
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:49,359
you pronounce his name he's a listener

1610
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,880
in a friend of the show

1611
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:52,559
he he came up with a whole book called

1612
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:55,280
the roswell triangle that was based on

1613
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:56,400
your

1614
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:58,319
just kind of observation that if you

1615
01:00:01,270 --> 01:00:00,000
draw if you take a ruler and draw a

1616
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:01,280
straight line

1617
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,119
uh you have this synchronistic you know

1618
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,520
everything lines up or things that are

1619
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:07,599
important to you line up like that

1620
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:10,000
um have you done more uh work along

1621
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:13,200
these lines i i i see a few mentions of

1622
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:14,640
this but uh

1623
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:16,160
do you think people should be doing this

1624
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:17,599
should be uh

1625
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:20,000
you know going out and actively seeking

1626
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:20,880
for

1627
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,240
and and what sort of advice would you

1628
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:28,319
give people just generally in this in

1629
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,599
this regard

1630
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:31,440
well so let me first the thing about the

1631
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:32,960
map in the lyon and mack tony's

1632
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,160
apartment it didn't run right through

1633
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:35,839
mack tony's apartment it got very close

1634
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:36,640
though

1635
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:39,599
and it certainly uh and

1636
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:43,119
the it that story uh yeah that story is

1637
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:44,960
is almost like a like a

1638
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:47,119
descent into my own form of madness in a

1639
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,079
way where so many things were lining up

1640
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:52,000
uh on that uh

1641
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:56,000
uh you know on a series of lines

1642
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:58,960
and you know including my cabin and it

1643
01:01:01,750 --> 01:01:00,160
actually eventually made a great big

1644
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:01,760
triangle shape and i'd all these are

1645
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:03,119
powerful events that had happened to me

1646
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:04,480
that like were lining up on these things

1647
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and these lines were not i mean these

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were like 800 mile long lines

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that's all archived on the blog in a

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series of of uh blog posts that are all

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um

1652
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:17,920
or triangle on the map now

1653
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:22,079
uh as far as advice i would give um

1654
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,960
you know

1655
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:24,720
i think nick redford talks about this

1656
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:26,240
and he says you know he knows he's on to

1657
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something

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in a in a

1659
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:30,559
case in a report

1660
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:32,400
uh you know he's researching paranormal

1661
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:34,240
stuff ufos and things he knows he's on

1662
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:36,079
to things when synchronicities start

1663
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:37,839
appearing in his life at the time he's

1664
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doing the research he knows the research

1665
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in a way is valid

1666
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:43,200
uh because of the the synchronicities

1667
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:44,640
and i've i've sort of come to that same

1668
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:46,240
conclusion i almost at the point now if

1669
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:47,680
i don't get synchronicities i'm a little

1670
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worried that i'm that i'm a little of

1671
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strayed

1672
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but um

1673
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as far as advice yeah you know so i mean

1674
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you can go crazy if you try to you know

1675
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like you don't start your own religion

1676
01:02:03,030 --> 01:01:59,920
just because he had a synchronicity let

1677
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me put it that way um but the these

1678
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things

1679
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:06,240
and talking to other researchers and

1680
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especially talking to experiencers

1681
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people who have had the ufo contact

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experience

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uh

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synchronicities will show up or seem to

1685
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show up

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in a in a higher

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more profound

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way to people who've had the ufo contact

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experience and i said this to a friend

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of mine i kind of was on my high horse

1691
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and i said you know

1692
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people have ufo contact experiences they

1693
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have more synchronicities than the rest

1694
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of the people and she kind of rolled her

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eyes and said anyone on a spiritual path

1696
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will have more synchronicities which i

1697
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think is true

1698
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and the way she said it it forced me to

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sort of step back and look at the ufo

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contact experience

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in the framework of a spiritual path and

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i found that that

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looking at it that way was incredibly

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fruitful so if you're a nuts and bolts

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researcher

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wanting to go out and just measure the

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burn marks in the yard

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and

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know the control tower at the nearest

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airport after ufo sighting

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my sense is you might not be getting as

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many synchronicities as the someone who

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then sits with the the witness and

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listens to their experiences as well as

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thoughts on religion change since you're

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citing those folks might get more

1719
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synchronicities i don't know if that's

1720
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true or not i'm just kind of pondering

1721
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that it might be that way

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all right i'm trying to

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focus here and we're going to do it in

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our next segment on

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how this impacted you personally what

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possible ufo related encounters for

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yourself well it's like uh to tell that

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correctly might take you know the rest

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of the show uh because

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in the book the last uh you know 30

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pages or so is me describing something

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that i refer to as my confirmation event

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and and i and i would be cautious to try

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to unravel that whole tangled knot of

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stuff here what i can say is that

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i

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01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:50,080
february of 2013

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in late february i was coming back from

1849
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:54,000
that conference near phoenix uh the

1850
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:56,000
international ufo congress and i had

1851
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:57,359
been going there you know year after

1852
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year for a number of years and so on the

1853
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drive back

1854
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i slept on the side of the road which is

1855
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something i do slept under the stars no

1856
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need to get a hotel room in a beautiful

1857
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place where i was driving i was living

1858
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at the time in idaho so to get from

1859
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arizona to idaho you gotta drive through

1860
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utah so i was driving through a

1861
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beautiful section of southern utah sun

1862
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went down i camped on the side of the

1863
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road and i just slept in this wonderful

1864
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little turnout on this quiet little

1865
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highway and i woke up in the middle of

1866
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:24,239
the night and i looked up at this

1867
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:26,880
hillside and i said to myself you know

1868
01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:28,640
my first thought was

1869
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:31,040
that looks just like a landed flying

1870
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:35,279
saucer it was a big round structure with

1871
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lights ringing around the edge of it and

1872
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:40,080
i said to myself uh you know

1873
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:41,279
you know like i felt like i was kind of

1874
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:44,000
attuned and had my own kind of psychic

1875
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:45,839
mojo in a way and i said hey if i if

1876
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:47,359
this is a ufo i'm going to know it i'm

1877
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:48,560
going to feel it i'm going to have some

1878
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:50,719
intuitive knowing that this is a ufo a

1879
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:52,960
landed flying saucer so i sat there and

1880
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,040
i just kind of like like tried to sense

1881
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:57,600
anything i sensed nothing at all and i

1882
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,960
just rolled over and went back to sleep

1883
01:10:01,910 --> 01:10:00,320
and i woke up

1884
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:01,920
three more times you know you know what

1885
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:02,880
it looked like did you remember the

1886
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,719
movie sleeper with uh woody allen where

1887
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:06,560
they there's a big round house on the on

1888
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:08,400
a on a hillside

1889
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,560
i don't i didn't see a lot of those

1890
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:12,320
early woody allen movies which is of

1891
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:14,080
course my fault well anyway there's a

1892
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:15,280
there's a house in it and that's it look

1893
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:17,040
just so just imagine like a kind of a

1894
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:19,600
trophy home in malibu up on a hillside

1895
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:22,320
that uh some you know uh architect from

1896
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:25,520
the 1960s you know flamboyantly created

1897
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:28,239
a a uh like you know a round structure

1898
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,600
with windows around the edges that's

1899
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,440
exactly what it looked like i woke up

1900
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:33,360
three times that same night one time i

1901
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:34,719
heard a coyote

1902
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:36,719
and i will tell you this coyote felt

1903
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:38,320
like it was

1904
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:39,920
i don't want to say inches from my head

1905
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:41,920
that would be an exaggeration but a few

1906
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:44,000
yards from my head i was lying in the

1907
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:45,679
dirt near the sagebrush and stuff like

1908
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,040
that there were bushes around i never

1909
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:49,440
saw anything but i have slept outside

1910
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:51,440
and i've lived outside in the west for a

1911
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:53,120
quarter of a century and i've heard a

1912
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:56,000
lot of coyotes i have never ever heard

1913
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:57,520
anything that close

1914
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:59,360
yapping away howling away it wasn't

1915
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:02,080
scary at all i wasn't intimidated by a

1916
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:06,320
you know coyote but it was so magical so

1917
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:08,320
i'm lying there listening to this coyote

1918
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:09,679
looking at this

1919
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:10,719
round

1920
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:12,640
structure lit up on the top of this

1921
01:11:16,709 --> 01:11:15,040
hillside now the hillside was 1.6 miles

1922
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:16,719
away i'm very good with maps i've

1923
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:18,640
measured all this stuff i got like i got

1924
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:19,920
obsessed about this i figured out the

1925
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:21,600
gps coordinates of where i was lying and

1926
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:23,600
where the meadow at the top of the hill

1927
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:25,920
the only spot this thing could have been

1928
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:28,320
so whatever it was was big to be seen so

1929
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:30,159
clearly i mean obviously desert night

1930
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:31,760
air is very clear but to be seen so

1931
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:35,360
clearly 1.6 miles away i went to bed

1932
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,520
i went back to sleep i woke up again and

1933
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:39,760
there was a kind of an odd light on the

1934
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:42,080
other side of the bush right near me

1935
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,080
i sat up i looked right i looked left i

1936
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:46,320
tried to kind of do the thing where you

1937
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:48,480
move your head side to side to look so i

1938
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:49,840
couldn't see anything it just i was like

1939
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:51,040
it didn't seem like anyone with a

1940
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:52,480
flashlight it didn't seem like car

1941
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:54,560
headlights i didn't know what it was

1942
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:55,760
so i just laid down went back to

1943
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:57,600
sleeping again looked up at that that

1944
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:59,440
round structure on the hill

1945
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:01,760
the next morning i got up early

1946
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:05,280
and drove home about a 10 hour drive

1947
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:07,040
from from where i was sleeping in

1948
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,440
southern utah to my home in idaho at the

1949
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:11,760
time uh when i got home i did something

1950
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:13,679
i kind of was nagging at me like what

1951
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:15,520
was that building so i looked up on

1952
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:17,199
google maps and there's nothing there

1953
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:18,560
you know understandably that the

1954
01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:20,159
building could have been built after the

1955
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:21,760
map was made

1956
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:23,679
so i didn't really know you know after

1957
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:25,440
the satellite photographs were made i

1958
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:26,640
mean if there was a real building there

1959
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:27,840
there'd have to be a road there'd have

1960
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:29,600
to be you know power lines these things

1961
01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:31,280
would be easily seen in a satellite

1962
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:33,760
imagery just on you know a google search

1963
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:35,840
so i didn't find anything after that

1964
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:36,960
search

1965
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:39,920
i was standing near my desk and i had

1966
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,640
the

1967
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,480
unmistakably

1968
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:44,239
clear that was having only happened to

1969
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:45,840
me a few times where i basically had a

1970
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:49,120
psychic vision i had a brief one second

1971
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:51,760
psychic vision of seeing a map in my

1972
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:53,840
mind's eye and it was a map of southern

1973
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:55,440
utah it was a perfectly straight line

1974
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:58,000
with three dots on the straight line all

1975
01:13:02,310 --> 01:12:59,920
lined up on the straight line and i knew

1976
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:02,320
what one of them was one of them on the

1977
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:05,280
westernmost side the left side would

1978
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:06,960
have been the event that had just

1979
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:10,000
happened the night before in southern

1980
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:12,080
utah that would have been the event of

1981
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,719
of march 10th 2013 the one i just

1982
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,800
explained of seeing the round craft

1983
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:18,400
after doing some work

1984
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,440
and some digging in my own experiences i

1985
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:23,760
realized there were three quite profound

1986
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:25,520
events the other two were also equally

1987
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:27,520
profound um one of them is very telling

1988
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:30,480
i was the farthest one on the

1989
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:33,040
right the easternmost dot on the line

1990
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:36,640
was an event that took place in may

1991
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:39,920
of 2010

1992
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:42,400
and on that event i was camping near

1993
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:44,800
dolores colorado with a friend and in

1994
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:46,159
the middle of the night had this sense

1995
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:47,760
that i was floating out of the tent and

1996
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:49,280
had this sense that i was in a white

1997
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:51,840
room and then had this sense that the

1998
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:54,640
next morning had an odd scratch on me

1999
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:55,840
all of this

2000
01:13:59,669 --> 01:13:57,440
was very telling

2001
01:14:02,310 --> 01:13:59,679
this the dot in the center

2002
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:02,320
took me a little while to pinpoint and

2003
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:05,840
that was an event where i was lying

2004
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:07,040
on the ground

2005
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:08,960
listening to the sound of a great horned

2006
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:11,360
owl very similar in a way to the coyote

2007
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:12,719
i just explained the great horned owl

2008
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:15,199
was extremely close i never saw it but i

2009
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:16,560
sensed it was in the bushes right next

2010
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:17,760
to me great horned owl has that

2011
01:14:20,310 --> 01:14:19,280
beautiful

2012
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,320
calm

2013
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:22,640
classic low hooting noise so i was just

2014
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:23,920
this magical experience out in the

2015
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:25,760
desert my friend

2016
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:27,600
her name is natasha was jet lagged she

2017
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:29,120
was camping with me she had been

2018
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:31,600
traveling from germany so she couldn't

2019
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:33,520
sleep all i could do i had been driving

2020
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:34,880
all day we were driving around the

2021
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:37,920
desert after the ufo congress this would

2022
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:40,320
have been the the dot in the middle so i

2023
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:42,000
apologize i'm explaining something very

2024
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:44,320
visual using using words here but the

2025
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:45,679
dot in the middle

2026
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:49,040
was an event that took place on in uh

2027
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:50,080
march

2028
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:56,070
and while going on a walk saw a bright

2029
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:58,159
orb like a floating orb the size of a

2030
01:15:01,110 --> 01:14:59,840
beach ball it frightened her she got a

2031
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:01,120
good view of it

2032
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:04,400
it uh it kind of poofed and disappeared

2033
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:05,600
she watched it kind of flash and

2034
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:06,640
disappeared

2035
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,000
very much scared her i'm telling this

2036
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:10,480
story quicker than i should but

2037
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:12,560
when she got back to me where i was

2038
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:14,239
lying listening to this owl she said we

2039
01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:15,600
gotta leave she explained what had just

2040
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:17,040
happened we picked up the car and lea

2041
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:19,679
left but what happened was

2042
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:21,920
so you have two points on a map right

2043
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:23,440
you have a single line between them you

2044
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:25,520
can make that a perfectly straight line

2045
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:26,719
and

2046
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:27,679
the

2047
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,880
event

2048
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:30,719
with the orb

2049
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:33,600
and the listening to the owl lying on my

2050
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:35,280
back this is near a town called boulder

2051
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:37,679
utah that where i was lying because i

2052
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:40,159
could zoom in to the little turn off the

2053
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:41,840
little parking turn off using google

2054
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:44,400
maps and i could make that that line one

2055
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:46,400
pixel thick and that line

2056
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:50,080
seemed to bisect the spot i was lying in

2057
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:51,760
like basically where my sleeping pad

2058
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:53,840
would have been was was

2059
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,239
that line passed over that and you know

2060
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:58,560
in olden times like 10 years ago before

2061
01:16:02,709 --> 01:16:01,280
the advent of google maps uh you know i

2062
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:02,719
would have had to take a paper map and a

2063
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:05,199
pencil right and lay a straight ruler

2064
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:06,719
down and run the pencil between the two

2065
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:08,960
spots and in doing so you know that that

2066
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:11,120
pencil line might be a mile thick

2067
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:12,080
uh

2068
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,000
this isn't the case i mean this is this

2069
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:17,040
was so precise and it freaked me out

2070
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:18,320
i'll tell you what we'll be freaked out

2071
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if we don't break my cleland explaining

2072
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his experiences and to take a while to

2073
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flesh this out now i'll ask him to be as

2074
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brief as possible but we do have six

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01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:13,669
so we're talking to mike clelland author

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01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:15,360
of the messengers

2187
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:18,239
about his personal experience that he's

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explaining with a lot of background

2189
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:20,960
about

2190
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:22,719
his ufo encounter and all the

2191
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:24,880
ramifications go on please

2192
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:26,719
well ufo encounter i'm very cautious

2193
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:28,800
because there's actually no ufo involved

2194
01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:30,719
in this story this the story with what i

2195
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:34,719
saw was a in march 10th of 2010

2196
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:37,199
was a a round structure on a hill i'm

2197
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:38,800
not going to go beyond that uh you know

2198
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:40,239
that's what i saw

2199
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:42,159
and then i have since gone back to that

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01:21:44,630 --> 01:21:43,120
spot

2201
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:44,640
and there's nothing there there's

2202
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:46,400
nothing there and if that thing was 1.6

2203
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:48,880
miles away in the size it looked to be

2204
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:51,120
it would have been enormous and it would

2205
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:53,360
have been so there's nothing there

2206
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:55,679
just before the break i had explained

2207
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:57,360
that this event

2208
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:00,239
the event being lining these three dots

2209
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:02,960
up on the map exactly precisely in a

2210
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:05,199
straight line these three powerful

2211
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:08,000
what i consider paranormal experiences

2212
01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:11,520
lined up exactly on a map at that point

2213
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:13,040
it felt like

2214
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:14,960
my life had changed like i had leading

2215
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:16,800
up to that point i had been kind of you

2216
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:18,960
know stressed out i'd been in this place

2217
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:20,320
of searching it had been in this place

2218
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:22,639
of yearning like like is are these

2219
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:25,040
experiences in my life real or are these

2220
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:27,280
sort of ufo things that have intersected

2221
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:28,719
my life are they

2222
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:31,679
did they really happen and after that

2223
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:33,120
you know like seeing that line when i

2224
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:35,280
clicked on that google you know program

2225
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:37,199
and just made that little line

2226
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:39,360
up here on the map you know from that

2227
01:22:42,629 --> 01:22:40,800
point on i was different you know i

2228
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:42,639
recognized right away like oh all my

2229
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:44,320
doubts are now gone

2230
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:46,239
all my doubts are gone i am i'm in a

2231
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:48,159
place of knowing i don't know the source

2232
01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:49,840
of any of this but i do i can say with

2233
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:52,000
absolute conviction that something has

2234
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:54,159
intersected with my life so

2235
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:55,679
you the this all started with your

2236
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:56,800
question like what are my own

2237
01:23:00,870 --> 01:22:59,199
experiences with these owls and this ufo

2238
01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:00,880
stuff now here's a story which has an

2239
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,480
owl right in the center

2240
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:04,320
and then it also has a

2241
01:23:10,149 --> 01:23:07,679
uh like the classic trickster

2242
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:10,159
of the southwest which is the coyote in

2243
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,040
one other of the points on the map so i

2244
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:15,600
explain this in much much greater detail

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01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:18,000
in the the culmination of the book

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01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:18,880
but

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01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:21,760
this event these sets of events

2248
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:22,880
were

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01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:25,199
i guess in a way the reason i wrote the

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01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:26,080
book

2251
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:29,120
was to impress upon well i guess in a

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01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:30,960
way to impress upon myself i had been

2253
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:34,800
doing this research and it had been so

2254
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:37,280
like in a way rewarding for me like it

2255
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:38,800
was this it was

2256
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:39,920
you know people have asked me who to

2257
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:41,120
write the book for and i'm very clear i

2258
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:42,560
wrote it for myself because i just found

2259
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:44,960
this stuff so fascinating and um other

2260
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:47,040
people have had if not the

2261
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:49,040
similar experiences hard to say that's

2262
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:50,320
it had anyone said the exact same

2263
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:51,360
experience but enough similar

2264
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:53,760
experiences that this owl overlap with

2265
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:55,840
this ufo stuff is

2266
01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:57,040
somehow

2267
01:24:01,350 --> 01:23:59,520
valid as it's a valid thing

2268
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:01,360
it's not like i don't feel like i'm

2269
01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:02,480
pulling it out of the ether and just

2270
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:04,400
kind of just kind of uh you know making

2271
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:05,840
it up i'm i'm quite convinced that

2272
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there's there's a wealth of information

2273
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:09,360
here and

2274
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:12,000
within these stories is almost a deeper

2275
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:13,600
story because often these stories are

2276
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:16,000
just sort of littered or or you know

2277
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:18,080
like a like the tapestry is just woven

2278
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:19,600
so tightly with these strange

2279
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:21,199
synchronicities

2280
01:24:28,229 --> 01:24:25,120
now the owl is often also used as a

2281
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:28,239
possible screen memory for an abduction

2282
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:30,080
so do we have one of those in here or

2283
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:31,840
what well there is a chapter in the book

2284
01:24:35,189 --> 01:24:33,840
on screen memories and in a way i got

2285
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:35,199
that chapter i put it in the beginning

2286
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:36,800
of the book close to the beginning

2287
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:39,520
because i wanted to to to describe the

2288
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:41,120
screen memory to address the screen

2289
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:42,560
memory and then kind of move beyond it

2290
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:44,560
but the classic screen memory comes in

2291
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:45,920
the form of someone driving down the

2292
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:47,199
road at night you know they drive down

2293
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:48,480
the road at night there's a four foot

2294
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:51,280
owl uh they are shocked to see a big owl

2295
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:52,320
standing in the road they don't

2296
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:55,760
understand it and then uh they drive on

2297
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:57,360
and suddenly they're when they arrive

2298
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:58,800
home there's some

2299
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:00,960
hours of missing time this story has

2300
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:02,560
been repeated to me over and over again

2301
01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:04,560
in a way that i find uh

2302
01:25:07,510 --> 01:25:05,679
hard to

2303
01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:07,520
it's been repeated to me so many times

2304
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:09,199
that something is going on now owls

2305
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:11,600
simply do not get to be four foot tall a

2306
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:14,080
three foot tall owl would be

2307
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:16,960
impossible you know on on planet earth

2308
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:20,320
the owls can get just above 30 inches

2309
01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:22,960
from tip to tail in flight but they're

2310
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:25,280
they can't really stand three foot tall

2311
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:27,520
from on their feet on the ground

2312
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:28,800
so what their people are describing if

2313
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:30,239
someone says and i've heard it more than

2314
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:31,520
once where people pull right up to the

2315
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:32,480
owl

2316
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:34,320
and then it's actually taller than the

2317
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:35,840
front of their car taller than the hood

2318
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:37,600
of their car that's that's there's

2319
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:39,600
nothing on earth that an owl that can do

2320
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:40,400
that

2321
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:42,639
um standing on the pavement in front of

2322
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:44,080
a car you pull up it looks at you over

2323
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:46,159
the hood but but i hear these accounts

2324
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:48,480
repeatedly now

2325
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:50,320
the implication is

2326
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:51,600
that they're seeing something that's not

2327
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:53,199
an owl they're seeing it like what would

2328
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:54,480
be a gray alien

2329
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:57,199
uh often under hypnosis this bag of

2330
01:26:00,470 --> 01:25:59,199
worms is its own problematic thing you

2331
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:00,480
know someone under hypnosis but they

2332
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:02,400
will describes the therapist will say

2333
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,239
well describe the owl and the person

2334
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:06,000
saying well the owl's bald it has big

2335
01:26:10,229 --> 01:26:07,840
black eyes it's skinny it's wearing a

2336
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:10,239
tight fitting uniform so

2337
01:26:14,070 --> 01:26:11,600
if the

2338
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:14,080
ufo occupant the little grey alien let's

2339
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:15,040
say

2340
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:16,159
is

2341
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:22,480
putting a memory injecting a memory or a

2342
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:24,960
co-opting the person's psyche in a way

2343
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:27,040
where they're projecting a vision of an

2344
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:29,920
owl instead of seeing the grey alien

2345
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:31,360
there's any number of reasons they might

2346
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:33,520
do that one is simply that the the grey

2347
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:35,679
alien looks a little bit like an owl

2348
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:37,440
right i mean they've got big eyes and

2349
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:39,760
and they're seen at night so it's not

2350
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:41,360
it's not that big of a leap that they

2351
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:42,719
would pick that

2352
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:45,760
to be their screen memory but i i don't

2353
01:26:48,790 --> 01:26:47,280
know if that's true or not if they're

2354
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:48,800
doing that just because there's a slight

2355
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:52,480
resemblance the the screen memory thing

2356
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:53,600
is

2357
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:56,159
fascinating but to me the more

2358
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:58,159
fascinating aspect is people who are

2359
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:01,360
seeing real owls in connection to their

2360
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:02,880
to their contact experiences i can't

2361
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:04,080
tell you how many people i've talked to

2362
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:05,440
said you know like oh i was having a lot

2363
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:07,520
of abduction experiences at this chapter

2364
01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:09,760
in my life and it's funny i've never

2365
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:11,360
really told anyone this but right around

2366
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:12,800
that time there was an owl that would

2367
01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:14,880
sit in a tree and watch me

2368
01:27:17,669 --> 01:27:16,400
it was there all the time or i would

2369
01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:17,679
come home from work and there was an owl

2370
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:19,840
that would be you know in the bush right

2371
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:21,920
next to the door as i came home

2372
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:23,760
these kinds of stories

2373
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:25,280
are not

2374
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:26,800
a hundred percent but they're enough

2375
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:28,480
they're commonplace enough that i see

2376
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:30,960
these as a very real pattern

2377
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:33,520
why would owls appear

2378
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:34,880
in

2379
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:37,920
the

2380
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:39,840
ufo experience

2381
01:27:43,830 --> 01:27:42,000
uh the experience here i i just it's to

2382
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:43,840
me it's a genuine mystery and that was

2383
01:27:47,189 --> 01:27:45,199
that was the premise of the book was to

2384
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:47,199
explore this mystery

2385
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:49,120
we have some questions mike at

2386
01:27:53,669 --> 01:27:51,600
forum.theparacast.com

2387
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:53,679
where listeners get to ask our guest

2388
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:56,239
questions and this question comes from

2389
01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:57,760
techno mage

2390
01:28:01,669 --> 01:27:59,360
who always comes up with interesting

2391
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:01,679
questions he's one of the few

2392
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:04,560
consistent people that

2393
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:06,960
posted the forum that

2394
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:08,480
really you know they do their homework

2395
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:10,639
and they ask great questions

2396
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:13,679
but he's wondering if if owls are

2397
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:15,520
unique in this regard

2398
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:17,600
and he's wondering do your observations

2399
01:28:21,590 --> 01:28:20,000
apply to ravens and crows these types of

2400
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:21,600
birds are ever present in various

2401
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:22,960
mythologies so i'd like to get a

2402
01:28:27,590 --> 01:28:25,280
clarification on the differences between

2403
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:27,600
owls and other birds as far as your work

2404
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:30,880
is concerned and as we know uh raven

2405
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,159
uh in north american native traditions

2406
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:36,719
is considered a trickster figure and uh

2407
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:37,920
crow

2408
01:28:40,709 --> 01:28:39,440
um

2409
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:40,719
similar but

2410
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:42,880
in a lesser sort of way of course ravens

2411
01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:45,040
are the smartest animal in the animal

2412
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:46,000
kingdom

2413
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:48,239
do you have similar stories with other

2414
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:50,800
birds or owls or

2415
01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:53,040
are owls kind of head and shoulders um

2416
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:54,320
above them

2417
01:28:58,149 --> 01:28:56,480
well on one sense i just narrowed my

2418
01:28:59,910 --> 01:28:58,159
research towel so i was only digging

2419
01:29:02,390 --> 01:28:59,920
into the aloe story i certainly there's

2420
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:02,400
certainly a wealth of of

2421
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:04,639
interesting stories with

2422
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:06,639
ravens and crows and hummingbirds

2423
01:29:09,669 --> 01:29:08,480
actually show up too as a very totem and

2424
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:09,679
hawks you know people have these

2425
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:11,920
experience but not in the context of the

2426
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:13,840
ufo thing that i found in any kind of

2427
01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:15,120
meaningful way

2428
01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:16,400
um

2429
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:18,560
so so the answer the short answer is yes

2430
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:20,400
there's an abundant mythology

2431
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:22,800
with ravens and crows and hummingbirds

2432
01:29:27,669 --> 01:29:25,360
and and other kinds of birds but within

2433
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:27,679
the ufo context i

2434
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:30,480
i narrowed my focus to owls and holes

2435
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:33,440
only though there is some overlapping

2436
01:29:36,790 --> 01:29:35,679
i don't think i had i don't think i had

2437
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:36,800
any

2438
01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:39,040
reports where people had odd experiences

2439
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:41,679
with ravens or crows so and i i echo

2440
01:29:45,430 --> 01:29:44,320
that i have not uh you know

2441
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:45,440
just a

2442
01:29:48,870 --> 01:29:47,280
kind of glancing back over

2443
01:29:51,350 --> 01:29:48,880
quite a bit of data

2444
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:51,360
i don't recall

2445
01:29:56,550 --> 01:29:54,000
i think one case there was a large flock

2446
01:29:57,590 --> 01:29:56,560
of ravens uh which was uh kind of

2447
01:30:00,390 --> 01:29:57,600
unusual

2448
01:30:03,110 --> 01:30:00,400
but other than that um i don't have any

2449
01:30:04,790 --> 01:30:03,120
yeah and and i mean i'm sure they're

2450
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:04,800
they exist in some form but i just i

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2581
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i want to ask my clone a quick question

2582
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about this so it's common with

2583
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possible abductions that you have this

2584
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owl symbolism

2585
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but i want to clarify this and

2586
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understand it are we assuming we're

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putting that picture on it or is e.t if

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et or whatever force is involved in

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abductions

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presenting this possible screen memory

2591
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but the other larger question here is

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is the ufo abduction experience itself a

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possible scream memory or camouflage for

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something else that we don't understand

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we're trying to interpret it in a way we

2596
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do understand well okay i address all of

2597
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that in the book and it's very murky i

2598
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mean i kind of like you know go down one

2599
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avenue of thought and you know pull on

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the threads as much as i can then i back

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up and i go down another avenue of

2602
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thought so

2603
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as far as i can tell

2604
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the ufo let's just begin with the

2605
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premise that the ufo abduction

2606
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experience the contact experience is

2607
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something real something really

2608
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happening to people

2609
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people are

2610
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in my sense that some of these things

2611
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may be visionary you know they may be in

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a kind of

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dream like realm

2614
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and then other experiences i think can

2615
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be quite literal you know people come

2616
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back with scars with scratches with with

2617
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marks people have burn marks in the yard

2618
01:36:18,470 --> 01:36:15,920
there's

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uh associated witnesses that will tell

2620
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of seeing ufos

2621
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you know over the house when a contact

2622
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experience takes place those are very

2623
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:25,600
rare but those those are in the

2624
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literature there's multiple witness

2625
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cases where you know multiple people are

2626
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taken so

2627
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you know starting from the point that

2628
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the ufo abduction experience is

2629
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legitimate and real

2630
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within that you get these reports of the

2631
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screen memory someone says they see a

2632
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four foot tall owl on their back porch

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you know they go and look at it the next

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thing they know it's morning and they

2635
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don't know how the sun is suddenly

2636
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coming up uh there's an element of

2637
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missing time there that kind of report

2638
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is fairly common in the lore when you

2639
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examine that it's not a four foot tall

2640
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owl it's something else on the back

2641
01:37:02,070 --> 01:37:00,159
porch it's presumably

2642
01:37:04,629 --> 01:37:02,080
an alien quite probably one of the grey

2643
01:37:05,669 --> 01:37:04,639
aliens that's become so ubiquitous

2644
01:37:08,229 --> 01:37:05,679
now

2645
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the real owls this is where it gets this

2646
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is where i was really drawn and

2647
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:12,560
partially because i felt strongly when i

2648
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:15,600
was seeing owls a lot of bowels in in

2649
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the initial years of my own self and you

2650
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know self

2651
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research the real owls

2652
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were

2653
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how to say it um

2654
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:28,159
you know i mean they had

2655
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a power to them you know you see an owl

2656
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you're struck by it you you're there's

2657
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there's a there's a weight to it

2658
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and i think ancient people as well as

2659
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modern people you know sense that so

2660
01:37:41,669 --> 01:37:40,800
why

2661
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are

2662
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ufo abductees reporting real owls in

2663
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conjunction with their contact

2664
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:49,280
experiences i have a few accounts not

2665
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:51,040
many but if well actually a surprising

2666
01:37:54,149 --> 01:37:52,400
number but

2667
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people seeing

2668
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uh for example someone's sitting in the

2669
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forest they're with some friends

2670
01:38:02,149 --> 01:38:00,159
they look up and there's a there's an

2671
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:02,159
owl at the tippy top of a tree the next

2672
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:03,679
thing that happens the owl flies off and

2673
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:06,480
then a giant triangular ship flies over

2674
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:09,040
this one woman described this this exact

2675
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:10,639
experience and she told of the ship

2676
01:38:14,830 --> 01:38:12,320
basically said well it wasn't like a

2677
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metal ship it was almost like a

2678
01:38:19,270 --> 01:38:17,440
interdimensional crystalline thing she

2679
01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:19,280
she was fighting for words to describe

2680
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:21,840
this thing like it was a like flittering

2681
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through

2682
01:38:25,750 --> 01:38:23,920
uh

2683
01:38:27,910 --> 01:38:25,760
through our reality and overlapping

2684
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:27,920
somehow so these

2685
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:30,719
these stories are what was fascinating

2686
01:38:34,550 --> 01:38:32,400
me and those were the threads that i was

2687
01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:34,560
pulling out i have a question here that

2688
01:38:37,270 --> 01:38:36,320
um

2689
01:38:41,590 --> 01:38:37,280
it

2690
01:38:44,229 --> 01:38:41,600
you know what you're describing in terms

2691
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:44,239
of like potential screen memories this

2692
01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:46,400
comes from raven's fee

2693
01:38:48,790 --> 01:38:47,360
and

2694
01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:48,800
she says that

2695
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:50,400
in your chapter are now as screen

2696
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:52,000
memories you document a number of

2697
01:38:56,709 --> 01:38:53,760
stories in which owls are seen but are

2698
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:56,719
too large or wearing boots or indulging

2699
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:58,480
in other strange behavior

2700
01:39:02,470 --> 01:39:00,400
and so you suggest understandably that

2701
01:39:03,910 --> 01:39:02,480
these are not real owls but when people

2702
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:03,920
tell similar stories that feature

2703
01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:06,400
spindly greys you seem to accept their

2704
01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:08,719
veracity of what is being seen if the

2705
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:10,320
appearance of the forefoot owls are not

2706
01:39:14,709 --> 01:39:12,719
to be believed why should we not also

2707
01:39:16,709 --> 01:39:14,719
think that the reports of grey aliens

2708
01:39:19,109 --> 01:39:16,719
are also unrepresentative of an

2709
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:19,119
objective reality good question

2710
01:39:24,149 --> 01:39:22,239
if we assume witnesses are having some

2711
01:39:26,310 --> 01:39:24,159
of their memories screened or vision

2712
01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:26,320
distorted how can we ever tell which

2713
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:28,000
parts of witness reports represent

2714
01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:29,920
something approaching the truth

2715
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:31,440
that's the challenge isn't it i mean

2716
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:33,760
that's the challenge and i in a way as i

2717
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:35,679
get into the meat of the book i wrestle

2718
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:37,199
with these grander questions you know

2719
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,400
like this is you're getting into what's

2720
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:40,400
the fabric of reality when you start to

2721
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:42,480
to go down these avenues of thought yes

2722
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:44,719
i mean so uh so here's the story so this

2723
01:39:49,030 --> 01:39:47,520
woman her name is uh um her pen name is

2724
01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:49,040
lucretia heart

2725
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:51,520
and she told a story uh which she's now

2726
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:54,000
a woman in her 40s and but at the time

2727
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:55,280
when this event took place she had

2728
01:39:59,669 --> 01:39:57,600
already had a lot of contact experiences

2729
01:40:01,510 --> 01:39:59,679
and they had all happened at night so

2730
01:40:02,629 --> 01:40:01,520
she was working at a summer camp for

2731
01:40:04,629 --> 01:40:02,639
girls

2732
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:04,639
out in the pacific coast so she's

2733
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:07,040
actually in the summer camp walking from

2734
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:08,400
one building to another

2735
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:09,840
she's walking along a little path that

2736
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:11,920
connects these you know these buildings

2737
01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:13,280
and um

2738
01:40:17,590 --> 01:40:14,960
she can actually hear the girls playing

2739
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:17,600
behind her she's 19 years old she turns

2740
01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:20,239
a corner and right alongside the path is

2741
01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:22,560
a gray alien standing full in the

2742
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:23,679
sunlight

2743
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:26,000
and she she doesn't even break her

2744
01:40:28,709 --> 01:40:27,280
stride it freaks her out so much she

2745
01:40:31,750 --> 01:40:28,719
just kind of tries to walk past it and

2746
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:31,760
as these she looks at the the gray alien

2747
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:34,080
the grey alien looks at her there's this

2748
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:35,760
she describes it very beautifully in a

2749
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:38,639
written essay that she she wrote um she

2750
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:40,400
looks at the owl excuse me she looks at

2751
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:42,800
the alien and she hears

2752
01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:44,560
in her mind this kind of echoing

2753
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:46,400
reverberation of

2754
01:40:52,790 --> 01:40:49,679
owl owl and she watches this thing morph

2755
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:52,800
in to a giant owl and it turns around

2756
01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:54,960
and runs into the woods

2757
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:56,159
uh

2758
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:58,000
so

2759
01:41:02,229 --> 01:40:59,840
i mean what am i to make it runs into

2760
01:41:04,629 --> 01:41:02,239
the woods that's that's your description

2761
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:04,639
that's her so this giant owl

2762
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:06,880
turns around and runs into the woods she

2763
01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:09,119
actually went back she said it ran in an

2764
01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:12,080
early smooth way and she went back later

2765
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:13,360
and

2766
01:41:18,229 --> 01:41:15,119
realized this is i mean this is where it

2767
01:41:19,590 --> 01:41:18,239
gets very murky she she if it ran into

2768
01:41:21,189 --> 01:41:19,600
the woods there was a ditch it would

2769
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:21,199
have had to have crossed so it would

2770
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:23,280
have had to step down

2771
01:41:26,709 --> 01:41:25,360
and then step back up

2772
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:26,719
so but it didn't do that when she

2773
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:28,560
watched it she said it ran in an eerily

2774
01:41:31,270 --> 01:41:29,840
smooth way

2775
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:31,280
uh

2776
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:33,119
now

2777
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:36,800
something where you gray alien morphs

2778
01:41:40,390 --> 01:41:38,480
into an owl this is exactly the screen

2779
01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:40,400
memory right so somehow

2780
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:41,840
she hears a psychic projection in her

2781
01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:43,199
mind going

2782
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:44,800
owl she

2783
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:47,520
watches this thing morph into an owl

2784
01:41:51,669 --> 01:41:49,679
that the the implication is that she

2785
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:51,679
caught this thing off guard

2786
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:53,360
very very strange story i mean if these

2787
01:41:56,229 --> 01:41:54,960
things are as psychically powerful as

2788
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:56,239
they're supposed to be how do you catch

2789
01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:58,719
them off guard you know um if you know

2790
01:42:02,629 --> 01:42:00,960
how why would it

2791
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:02,639
with the fact that it ran into the woods

2792
01:42:06,790 --> 01:42:05,840
but then it ran eerily smooth across a a

2793
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:06,800
ditch

2794
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:07,600
you know

2795
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:10,880
was really going on

2796
01:42:12,629 --> 01:42:11,760
uh

2797
01:42:15,430 --> 01:42:12,639
so

2798
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:15,440
like i can't answer all these questions

2799
01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:17,520
but i can address

2800
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:20,080
the accounts right so i mean i trust the

2801
01:42:22,709 --> 01:42:21,440
people that tell the story are telling

2802
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:22,719
the story

2803
01:42:26,629 --> 01:42:24,800
as accurate as they can

2804
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:26,639
and but but i just have to i just have

2805
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:28,800
to

2806
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:30,639
you know retell the account that they

2807
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:33,199
shared and then in in an after fact i

2808
01:42:37,030 --> 01:42:35,679
can then speculate on on the deeper

2809
01:42:39,030 --> 01:42:37,040
implications

2810
01:42:40,709 --> 01:42:39,040
well that that leads to another question

2811
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:40,719
that i think is very good from raven's

2812
01:42:43,950 --> 01:42:41,600
fee

2813
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:43,960
who's been a poster at

2814
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:46,080
forum.theparacast.com since uh the end

2815
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:48,239
of may 2014

2816
01:42:52,910 --> 01:42:50,880
and she is one of many people that uh

2817
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:52,920
log on to our question thread

2818
01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:54,880
forum.theparacast.com and ask questions

2819
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:57,760
of our guests and she points out an

2820
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:00,400
interesting quote from louis pasteur

2821
01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:02,880
that's translated as quote chance favors

2822
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:04,880
the prepared mind

2823
01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:06,000
unquote

2824
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:08,800
so to what extent do you think

2825
01:43:13,510 --> 01:43:10,960
experiencers or you

2826
01:43:15,750 --> 01:43:13,520
uh are co-authors of synchronistic

2827
01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:15,760
events that um that people then later

2828
01:43:20,229 --> 01:43:17,920
describe i mean what

2829
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:20,239
do you get a sense of where

2830
01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:21,920
you know that was her question and my

2831
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:23,760
follow-up to that is do you get a sense

2832
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:26,639
of there's a demarcation point between

2833
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:27,440
the

2834
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:32,320
we actually co-create it

2835
01:43:36,550 --> 01:43:34,480
uh this is this is there's a chapter in

2836
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:36,560
the book called dr kirby surprise and

2837
01:43:40,709 --> 01:43:39,040
this is a fellow who published a book

2838
01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:40,719
just a few years ago

2839
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:44,159
uh the title of synchronicity he's a i

2840
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:45,840
got to be very careful i'm not sure his

2841
01:43:50,310 --> 01:43:48,800
title he's a doctor and he works as a

2842
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:50,320
i'm not sure if he's a psychologist or

2843
01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:51,679
psychiatrist right off the top of my

2844
01:43:55,109 --> 01:43:53,040
head

2845
01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:55,119
but he wrote a book

2846
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:56,239
about

2847
01:44:02,470 --> 01:44:00,000
synchronicity in the and his

2848
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:02,480
oh how like his sort of unified field

2849
01:44:07,750 --> 01:44:04,239
theory on what might be at the source of

2850
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:07,760
the synchronicity and his take on it is

2851
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:09,760
that the synchronicity is actually

2852
01:44:14,790 --> 01:44:12,480
generated by the observer

2853
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:14,800
in him it's you know takes a whole book

2854
01:44:17,830 --> 01:44:16,400
for him to make his point and i try to

2855
01:44:19,510 --> 01:44:17,840
make it in a few paragraphs when i

2856
01:44:21,430 --> 01:44:19,520
paraphrase what you know what he shared

2857
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:21,440
i had some long conversations with dr

2858
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:24,080
surprise uh which is his real name which

2859
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:26,320
is you know in its own way just it's a

2860
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:28,320
little quirky synchronicity right there

2861
01:44:31,669 --> 01:44:30,080
um

2862
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:31,679
he would be a great guest on the show by

2863
01:44:35,510 --> 01:44:33,840
the way he's an amazing

2864
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:35,520
set of stories and make a note of that

2865
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:36,719
gino

2866
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:38,480
yeah i shall

2867
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:40,159
so he um

2868
01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:42,480
in my conversations with him

2869
01:44:46,870 --> 01:44:45,119
right so my first email to him was

2870
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:46,880
basically like listen i've heard you on

2871
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:48,400
some podcasts i don't have your book yet

2872
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:51,040
i plan on reading it um

2873
01:44:53,350 --> 01:44:51,840
i

2874
01:44:55,350 --> 01:44:53,360
uh

2875
01:44:57,270 --> 01:44:55,360
i i you know i'm

2876
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:57,280
have these ufo experiences in my life

2877
01:45:01,030 --> 01:44:58,560
and i'm proceeding forward with the

2878
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:01,040
premise that ufo experiences have more

2879
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:02,400
synchronicities than the rest of the

2880
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:05,360
population let's go and stop right there

2881
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:07,920
for a second and then we'll get on

2882
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:09,520
we have mike cleland the book is the

2883
01:45:13,189 --> 01:45:11,040
messengers

2884
01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:13,199
and takes you beyond

2885
01:45:18,149 --> 01:45:16,960
the usual simple thing oet lands and e.t

2886
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:18,159
abducts us

2887
01:45:25,550 --> 01:45:20,239
not so simple with gene and chris you're

2888
01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:28,390
[Music]

2889
01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:33,950
visit

2890
01:45:41,350 --> 01:45:39,270
first game attack of the rockoids and it

2891
01:45:42,629 --> 01:45:41,360
was a critically acclaimed success and

2892
01:45:44,550 --> 01:45:42,639
now there is the coming of the

2893
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:44,560
protectors a former military

2894
01:45:48,950 --> 01:45:46,800
intelligence man is contacted by a space

2895
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:48,960
woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2896
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:51,520
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2897
01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:53,199
her distant planet are planning to

2898
01:45:57,910 --> 01:45:55,360
conquer the earth this is gripping

2899
01:45:59,750 --> 01:45:57,920
science fiction of the classic kind

2900
01:46:01,790 --> 01:45:59,760
attack of the rockoids and the coming of

2901
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:01,800
the protectors find out more at

2902
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:04,080
rockoaids.com that's rockoids

2903
01:46:07,109 --> 01:46:06,080
r-o-c-k-o-i-d-s

2904
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:07,119
dot com

2905
01:46:11,910 --> 01:46:08,960
so here's what happened i was placing an

2906
01:46:14,229 --> 01:46:11,920
order online the site went down it took

2907
01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:14,239
hours before it returned but i'd already

2908
01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:16,000
placed the order with another company if

2909
01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:18,000
your site goes down you could lose

2910
01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:19,840
business and if you have a business or

2911
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:21,920
personal site you'll want to know it's

2912
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:24,800
easy to run and it will stay online at

2913
01:46:30,950 --> 01:46:28,000
iweb your site is hosted on one of the

2914
01:46:34,149 --> 01:46:30,960
most reliable networks in the world talk

2915
01:46:36,070 --> 01:46:34,159
to a sales rep at iweb.com use the promo

2916
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:36,080
code tech night owl for a special

2917
01:46:44,229 --> 01:46:41,750
are you tired of commuting to a job that

2918
01:46:47,109 --> 01:46:44,239
makes someone else rich working harder

2919
01:46:49,270 --> 01:46:47,119
than ever but getting nowhere do you

2920
01:46:51,830 --> 01:46:49,280
hate spending hundreds of dollars every

2921
01:46:53,590 --> 01:46:51,840
week on daycare having someone else

2922
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:53,600
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2923
01:46:58,149 --> 01:46:55,760
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2924
01:47:00,950 --> 01:46:58,159
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2925
01:47:02,870 --> 01:47:00,960
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2926
01:47:04,950 --> 01:47:02,880
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2927
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:04,960
at be the boss network you'll find

2928
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:06,880
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2929
01:47:12,070 --> 01:47:09,119
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2930
01:47:13,149 --> 01:47:12,080
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2931
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:13,159
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2932
01:47:18,229 --> 01:47:15,440
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2933
01:47:20,709 --> 01:47:18,239
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2934
01:47:23,510 --> 01:47:20,719
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2935
01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:23,520
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2936
01:47:28,189 --> 01:47:26,080
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2937
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:28,199
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2938
01:47:33,910 --> 01:47:31,840
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2939
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:33,920
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2940
01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:36,400
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2941
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:49,350
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2942
01:47:54,310 --> 01:47:53,040
standard of paranormal radio

2943
01:48:01,109 --> 01:47:54,320
and now

2944
01:48:05,109 --> 01:48:02,870
before we go on with this

2945
01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:05,119
why are people looking for the simple

2946
01:48:09,030 --> 01:48:06,880
explanation for this

2947
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:09,040
and you don't think of maybe a ufo

2948
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:10,880
abduction is simple

2949
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:13,280
but there are a lot of people who take

2950
01:48:19,910 --> 01:48:16,080
it just as it seems et is coming here

2951
01:48:23,430 --> 01:48:19,920
et's landing et is taking us aboard to

2952
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:23,440
experiment with us create a hybrid race

2953
01:48:27,669 --> 01:48:24,639
is that just

2954
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:27,679
us taking the incomprehensible and

2955
01:48:33,910 --> 01:48:30,400
making it a tad more comprehensible

2956
01:48:35,350 --> 01:48:33,920
in my my sense is that you know the the

2957
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:35,360
a little bit is happening at both ends i

2958
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:36,960
mean are the other ufo occupants

2959
01:48:40,149 --> 01:48:39,440
co-opting their own appearance to match

2960
01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:40,159
our

2961
01:48:43,750 --> 01:48:41,920
need for like a

2962
01:48:45,830 --> 01:48:43,760
technological outsider i mean if we turn

2963
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:45,840
the clock back a few thousand years and

2964
01:48:51,030 --> 01:48:48,800
we were hanging out in you know in

2965
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:51,040
at the base of um

2966
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:52,719
mount olympus you know and people were

2967
01:48:56,229 --> 01:48:54,320
telling stories about the greek gods i

2968
01:48:58,709 --> 01:48:56,239
mean they'd all the gods were togas and

2969
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:58,719
they were um

2970
01:49:03,669 --> 01:49:00,480
you know that there was

2971
01:49:05,830 --> 01:49:03,679
they were seen in a light that the

2972
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:05,840
people of that time could could

2973
01:49:09,510 --> 01:49:07,520
comprehend now we live in a

2974
01:49:11,669 --> 01:49:09,520
technological age and we're seeing you

2975
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:11,679
know metal spaceships with little

2976
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:14,400
spindly versions of ourselves

2977
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:16,159
and besides people wouldn't like us

2978
01:49:21,430 --> 01:49:18,880
wearing togas they think we were crazy

2979
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:21,440
especially this cold out yeah sure

2980
01:49:27,350 --> 01:49:25,440
or in a you know reboot of animal house

2981
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:27,360
yeah well yeah but i mean in star trek

2982
01:49:30,709 --> 01:49:28,960
this seems like all the aliens somehow

2983
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:30,719
wore these flowy toga things and stuff

2984
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:31,679
so

2985
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:34,880
well it's valet 101 the the

2986
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:36,880
i guess the phenomenon it tends to couch

2987
01:49:40,229 --> 01:49:38,320
itself in the

2988
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:40,239
vernacular and the technology of the

2989
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:41,199
times

2990
01:49:44,950 --> 01:49:42,880
sure exactly yes where it were reports

2991
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:44,960
from the 1950s people told of you know

2992
01:49:49,990 --> 01:49:46,880
being on board craft and they had

2993
01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:50,000
um you know vacuum tubes and and and

2994
01:49:54,390 --> 01:49:52,080
such and now there's like this almost

2995
01:49:56,229 --> 01:49:54,400
virtual reality being described on the

2996
01:49:58,709 --> 01:49:56,239
interior of the these craft you know

2997
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:58,719
virtual holodeck in some of the reports

2998
01:50:03,350 --> 01:50:00,800
well it's so you know excuse me for

2999
01:50:07,109 --> 01:50:03,360
interrupting but i just had a flash here

3000
01:50:09,590 --> 01:50:07,119
perhaps uh in the not too distant future

3001
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:09,600
kids playing uh you know tom clancy

3002
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:12,480
black ops or video games all of a sudden

3003
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:14,639
there'll be a new player that comes into

3004
01:50:18,550 --> 01:50:16,800
the virtual reality and then springs out

3005
01:50:21,109 --> 01:50:18,560
of their tv set and interacts with them

3006
01:50:23,270 --> 01:50:21,119
that that seems to be a logical next

3007
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:23,280
step well i think we're almost there

3008
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:25,199
with these folks with 3d glasses and you

3009
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:27,520
know the stereo sound effects and yeah

3010
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:28,239
so

3011
01:50:33,590 --> 01:50:32,080
i didn't mean to interrupt well where

3012
01:50:35,109 --> 01:50:33,600
was i i was i was talking about dr

3013
01:50:37,750 --> 01:50:35,119
kirby's surprise

3014
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:37,760
exactly okay so dr kirby surprise

3015
01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:40,239
there's a chapter in the book about his

3016
01:50:45,510 --> 01:50:43,360
research so so i get a hold of him i say

3017
01:50:47,590 --> 01:50:45,520
uh in the initial letter that i sent him

3018
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:47,600
i say listen i my premise is that

3019
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:48,719
folks with

3020
01:50:53,109 --> 01:50:50,000
with uh

3021
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:53,119
ufo contact experiences uh have more

3022
01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:55,440
synchronicity than this you know than

3023
01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:56,239
the

3024
01:50:59,270 --> 01:50:57,520
joe normal

3025
01:51:01,750 --> 01:50:59,280
and he sends back

3026
01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:01,760
gets back to me and says well you know i

3027
01:51:05,189 --> 01:51:03,040
don't really see it that way you know

3028
01:51:06,709 --> 01:51:05,199
i've had my own ufo experiences and it's

3029
01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:06,719
not really like that i'm paraphrasing

3030
01:51:09,590 --> 01:51:08,320
poorly right now as far as the letter i

3031
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:09,600
could read it right from the book here

3032
01:51:13,590 --> 01:51:12,080
but the but so so here's the author of a

3033
01:51:15,590 --> 01:51:13,600
book called synchronicity who says he

3034
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:15,600
said ufo experiences the night and i'm

3035
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:17,360
like i gotta get a hold of this guy so i

3036
01:51:20,470 --> 01:51:19,119
get a hold of him we have a couple short

3037
01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:20,480
conversations and he says listen just

3038
01:51:24,149 --> 01:51:22,639
read my book then we'll talk so i got

3039
01:51:27,109 --> 01:51:24,159
this book i read it

3040
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:27,119
and i something like on page 243

3041
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:29,520
he describes where you can create your

3042
01:51:33,109 --> 01:51:31,840
own synchronicities it's just a little

3043
01:51:35,189 --> 01:51:33,119
point of intention you go through a

3044
01:51:38,149 --> 01:51:35,199
little process and just ask the universe

3045
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:38,159
for a synchronicity and and they'll be

3046
01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:39,679
generated

3047
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:42,239
so the example he uses in his book

3048
01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:44,800
he says uh what i like to do for my

3049
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:47,440
synchronicities i like to create owls

3050
01:51:50,070 --> 01:51:48,800
so he likes to create owl synchronously

3051
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:50,080
i almost dropped the book when i read

3052
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:52,560
that so here's a guy who says he's had

3053
01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:54,080
ufo experiences writes a book about

3054
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:56,080
synchronicities and on page 243 he says

3055
01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:58,480
he likes to create owls so at that point

3056
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:00,080
i'm like did i

3057
01:52:04,470 --> 01:52:02,480
manifest kirby surprise you know to like

3058
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:04,480
meet my own needs

3059
01:52:07,270 --> 01:52:05,679
in this

3060
01:52:09,589 --> 01:52:07,280
in the book i talk about

3061
01:52:11,270 --> 01:52:09,599
we both you know i actually uh

3062
01:52:12,470 --> 01:52:11,280
transcribed a phone conversation so i

3063
01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:12,480
have a word for word and some of the

3064
01:52:17,030 --> 01:52:14,960
things where he talks about his own ufo

3065
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:17,040
experiences which took place at a point

3066
01:52:23,430 --> 01:52:19,119
when he was meditating a lot

3067
01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:23,440
and uh and was seeking counsel in a way

3068
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:25,360
from an outside source and getting this

3069
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:27,119
input i want to be very careful this is

3070
01:52:33,990 --> 01:52:30,400
his experience not mine so and in in

3071
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:34,000
that what was manifesting was seeing

3072
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:36,960
like odd craft at night in the nighttime

3073
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:38,000
sky

3074
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:38,960
now

3075
01:52:40,629 --> 01:52:39,840
he

3076
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:40,639
has

3077
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:42,320
he he feels that what he was

3078
01:52:46,470 --> 01:52:44,080
experiencing experience was

3079
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:46,480
self-generated that he was at a point of

3080
01:52:51,030 --> 01:52:48,880
such intense focus with his meditation

3081
01:52:54,070 --> 01:52:51,040
as a young man

3082
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:54,080
that it manifested in a way

3083
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:55,040
where

3084
01:52:59,430 --> 01:52:57,280
the dialogue between him and the

3085
01:53:01,990 --> 01:52:59,440
synchronistic world was manifesting as

3086
01:53:03,990 --> 01:53:02,000
ufos so

3087
01:53:05,589 --> 01:53:04,000
the uh he tells it much better than i do

3088
01:53:08,470 --> 01:53:05,599
and i will let the reader uh you know

3089
01:53:11,189 --> 01:53:08,480
sort of examine that chapter but

3090
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:11,199
there's this overlap of these elements

3091
01:53:15,270 --> 01:53:12,880
and he talks about he'd had some

3092
01:53:17,669 --> 01:53:15,280
beautiful quotes about owls and a very

3093
01:53:18,709 --> 01:53:17,679
smart guy much more when we talked

3094
01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:18,719
um

3095
01:53:23,510 --> 01:53:21,360
i i was much it was very much like the i

3096
01:53:25,589 --> 01:53:23,520
felt like i was the student

3097
01:53:27,189 --> 01:53:25,599
uh you know visiting the shaman in a way

3098
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:27,199
it was he was he's quite a mystical

3099
01:53:31,990 --> 01:53:30,000
fellow and and i just he had a take on

3100
01:53:33,669 --> 01:53:32,000
it that no one else has whether he's

3101
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:33,679
correct i don't know

3102
01:53:38,629 --> 01:53:35,599
but it was so

3103
01:53:40,550 --> 01:53:38,639
fruitful for me to hear his take on this

3104
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:40,560
stuff because in a way you know he

3105
01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:42,000
confirmed exactly what had been

3106
01:53:45,510 --> 01:53:44,000
happening with me he said listen if you

3107
01:53:46,550 --> 01:53:45,520
start

3108
01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:46,560
really

3109
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:49,280
digging into ufos and owls with great

3110
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:50,400
intention

3111
01:53:53,910 --> 01:53:52,320
these stories are going to land in your

3112
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:53,920
lap and that's exactly what has been

3113
01:53:59,109 --> 01:53:56,880
happening where where on on some level i

3114
01:54:00,629 --> 01:53:59,119
didn't do research on this book

3115
01:54:02,229 --> 01:54:00,639
all i did in a way was just get up in

3116
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:02,239
the morning and open my email inbox and

3117
01:54:06,229 --> 01:54:04,800
then i'd get out a ufo an owl story

3118
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:06,239
someone would say listen

3119
01:54:08,870 --> 01:54:07,280
letter would start out something like

3120
01:54:10,709 --> 01:54:08,880
this i've never told this to anyone

3121
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:10,719
here's the story and then i would get a

3122
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:11,840
hold of that person we'd have some

3123
01:54:16,149 --> 01:54:14,239
conversations i'd write a little essay

3124
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:16,159
i'd do a little back and forth and have

3125
01:54:20,390 --> 01:54:18,239
them approve the essay like they got to

3126
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:20,400
play fact checker anyone who's you know

3127
01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:22,080
who i talk about in this book for the

3128
01:54:25,669 --> 01:54:24,080
most part got to read their own account

3129
01:54:27,030 --> 01:54:25,679
and then correct it which i was grateful

3130
01:54:29,589 --> 01:54:27,040
for because there's little details that

3131
01:54:31,189 --> 01:54:29,599
they that i got incorrectly and through

3132
01:54:33,990 --> 01:54:31,199
the back and forth process i feel like i

3133
01:54:36,149 --> 01:54:34,000
captured most of these stories extremely

3134
01:54:38,709 --> 01:54:36,159
close to how they played out so that

3135
01:54:40,390 --> 01:54:38,719
that makes me feel good as an author but

3136
01:54:42,149 --> 01:54:40,400
what was happening as i said before is

3137
01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:42,159
these stories were just landing in my

3138
01:54:45,830 --> 01:54:44,080
lap i wasn't doing any research i wasn't

3139
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:45,840
you know like i didn't go to any

3140
01:54:48,550 --> 01:54:47,440
i didn't roll my sleeves up and go to a

3141
01:54:50,070 --> 01:54:48,560
library like you know might have

3142
01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:50,080
happened in you know all the president's

3143
01:54:54,550 --> 01:54:52,159
men i just you know drank coffee and

3144
01:54:56,470 --> 01:54:54,560
opened my you know email inbox every

3145
01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:56,480
morning and this stuff just was flooding

3146
01:54:57,990 --> 01:54:57,199
in

3147
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:58,000
so

3148
01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:59,280
in a way

3149
01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:01,360
dr surprise was correct if i focus on

3150
01:55:04,790 --> 01:55:02,560
this stuff with a

3151
01:55:07,189 --> 01:55:04,800
profound amount of intention i will get

3152
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:07,199
results synchronicity will allow these

3153
01:55:12,070 --> 01:55:09,920
things to manifest in my life now the

3154
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:12,080
people who contacted you during this

3155
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:13,920
process did they say

3156
01:55:18,310 --> 01:55:16,080
why they contacted you was it because

3157
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:18,320
they heard of your book or what well

3158
01:55:21,430 --> 01:55:19,760
either they found me online they would

3159
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:21,440
say things like oh i did a google thing

3160
01:55:24,310 --> 01:55:22,960
and i found you online or i talked to

3161
01:55:25,589 --> 01:55:24,320
someone else and said oh you have an owl

3162
01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:25,599
and ufo experience you got to get a hold

3163
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:27,760
of this guy mike clelland so it was

3164
01:55:31,030 --> 01:55:29,920
because of my online presence i have

3165
01:55:32,790 --> 01:55:31,040
there's a

3166
01:55:34,950 --> 01:55:32,800
youtube video out there

3167
01:55:37,510 --> 01:55:34,960
that was done a couple summers ago where

3168
01:55:39,990 --> 01:55:37,520
i spoke on this owl research in england

3169
01:55:41,830 --> 01:55:40,000
and that's that that youtube video

3170
01:55:43,510 --> 01:55:41,840
is an hour and 45 minutes long so it's

3171
01:55:44,950 --> 01:55:43,520
me standing on stage talking about some

3172
01:55:46,950 --> 01:55:44,960
stuff and within that video let me just

3173
01:55:50,470 --> 01:55:46,960
as an aside i talk at length about the

3174
01:55:52,629 --> 01:55:50,480
map thing that started with the owls in

3175
01:55:54,390 --> 01:55:52,639
missouri that uh chris brought up

3176
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:54,400
earlier and that's a very visual thing

3177
01:55:57,589 --> 01:55:55,760
so it's hard to talk about on the radio

3178
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:57,599
but easy when you can stand on a stage

3179
01:56:01,270 --> 01:55:59,040
with a powerpoint some of those

3180
01:56:02,709 --> 01:56:01,280
photographs are amazing there was a

3181
01:56:05,750 --> 01:56:02,719
there's a short little video that i play

3182
01:56:07,109 --> 01:56:05,760
this little video clip of this guy uh

3183
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:07,119
i got a hold of the guy who actually

3184
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:08,560
took the photographs i took a little

3185
01:56:11,350 --> 01:56:10,000
work to track him down so i so i did

3186
01:56:13,109 --> 01:56:11,360
actually play a little bit of research

3187
01:56:15,030 --> 01:56:13,119
detective in this work so but i got a

3188
01:56:16,790 --> 01:56:15,040
hold of this guy and and he showed me

3189
01:56:19,189 --> 01:56:16,800
the video that he had taken so it's just

3190
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:19,199
amazing yes a beautiful set of shortier

3191
01:56:22,709 --> 01:56:21,840
dolls on a fence post on a

3192
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:22,719
calm

3193
01:56:28,229 --> 01:56:25,760
afternoon in snowy missouri anyway where

3194
01:56:30,390 --> 01:56:28,239
was i going with this oh so that video

3195
01:56:32,709 --> 01:56:30,400
that youtube video of me giving the talk

3196
01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:32,719
about an hour and 45 minutes long uh

3197
01:56:37,589 --> 01:56:35,760
that generated so much stuff people

3198
01:56:39,109 --> 01:56:37,599
getting a hold of me literally people

3199
01:56:40,950 --> 01:56:39,119
saying you know as i was watching the

3200
01:56:43,589 --> 01:56:40,960
video and i'll land it on my windowsill

3201
01:56:44,790 --> 01:56:43,599
outside my you know my window um you

3202
01:56:45,910 --> 01:56:44,800
know as i was watching the video it's

3203
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:45,920
never happened before i've never seen an

3204
01:56:49,030 --> 01:56:47,360
old house before and here's an owl out

3205
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:49,040
my window as i'm watching this video

3206
01:56:52,950 --> 01:56:50,639
that story in one form or another

3207
01:56:53,750 --> 01:56:52,960
repeated over and over again and i and i

3208
01:56:54,950 --> 01:56:53,760
um

3209
01:56:56,550 --> 01:56:54,960
and i

3210
01:56:58,229 --> 01:56:56,560
write there's a big long chapter that

3211
01:57:00,310 --> 01:56:58,239
could i just could have been endless

3212
01:57:02,229 --> 01:57:00,320
that chapter but i had to rein it in

3213
01:57:03,910 --> 01:57:02,239
and i think it's called the echo chamber

3214
01:57:06,470 --> 01:57:03,920
where i talk about the

3215
01:57:08,790 --> 01:57:06,480
owls showing up in conjunction with

3216
01:57:11,589 --> 01:57:08,800
either people reading my blog

3217
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:11,599
reading an online essay or this youtube

3218
01:57:15,109 --> 01:57:13,199
video and i suspect i don't know for

3219
01:57:16,790 --> 01:57:15,119
sure but i suspect now that the book is

3220
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:16,800
out there's going to be like a another

3221
01:57:20,310 --> 01:57:18,960
wave of these reports coming in where

3222
01:57:22,070 --> 01:57:20,320
people say oh as i was reading your book

3223
01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:22,080
i had this interesting owl experience i

3224
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:23,360
don't know if that's going to happen or

3225
01:57:26,950 --> 01:57:24,880
not but i wouldn't wouldn't surprise me

3226
01:57:29,109 --> 01:57:26,960
at this point so maybe there'll be a

3227
01:57:31,350 --> 01:57:29,119
book too we've got mike clelland joining

3228
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:31,360
us with gene and chris you're in the

3229
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so having done this book and obviously

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the process took a while have you now

3328
02:02:10,229 --> 02:02:08,639
accumulated information that says you

3329
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know what we need to

3330
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explore this further maybe have a sequel

3331
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that's interesting you should ask and

3332
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3333
02:02:21,109 --> 02:02:19,360
now the the book is called stories from

3334
02:02:23,030 --> 02:02:21,119
the messengers and it's right on the

3335
02:02:24,470 --> 02:02:23,040
i've even got a little little mock-up of

3336
02:02:25,510 --> 02:02:24,480
the cover and it says companion to the

3337
02:02:27,990 --> 02:02:25,520
messengers

3338
02:02:28,950 --> 02:02:28,000
what happened in while researching this

3339
02:02:30,950 --> 02:02:28,960
book

3340
02:02:32,629 --> 02:02:30,960
is i stumbled on not stumbled on i was

3341
02:02:34,070 --> 02:02:32,639
like just just what i described earlier

3342
02:02:35,910 --> 02:02:34,080
these synchronistic stories would land

3343
02:02:38,870 --> 02:02:35,920
in my lap and i got these amazing

3344
02:02:40,709 --> 02:02:38,880
accounts that are so complex it takes to

3345
02:02:42,709 --> 02:02:40,719
write them up as an essay right to write

3346
02:02:43,589 --> 02:02:42,719
them up properly as an essay is 20 pages

3347
02:02:44,550 --> 02:02:43,599
right

3348
02:02:46,709 --> 02:02:44,560
and

3349
02:02:48,629 --> 02:02:46,719
you know multiple people multiple events

3350
02:02:50,229 --> 02:02:48,639
multiple you know timelines people

3351
02:02:52,470 --> 02:02:50,239
seeing owls here people seeing owls

3352
02:02:54,390 --> 02:02:52,480
there you pull on the threads it leads

3353
02:02:56,629 --> 02:02:54,400
to some other weird synchronicity uh

3354
02:02:59,030 --> 02:02:56,639
psychic experiences these are

3355
02:03:01,910 --> 02:02:59,040
there's a in the book i use the term

3356
02:03:03,910 --> 02:03:01,920
paradox syndrome it's kind of a

3357
02:03:05,830 --> 02:03:03,920
to describe these

3358
02:03:07,910 --> 02:03:05,840
more complex

3359
02:03:10,149 --> 02:03:07,920
multi-layered stories

3360
02:03:11,510 --> 02:03:10,159
there's a paradox right so you're

3361
02:03:13,270 --> 02:03:11,520
confronted with something and the

3362
02:03:15,350 --> 02:03:13,280
conclusion seems irrational right this

3363
02:03:18,070 --> 02:03:15,360
the stories don't make any sense and

3364
02:03:19,830 --> 02:03:18,080
because they are so multi-layered and so

3365
02:03:21,109 --> 02:03:19,840
rife with synchronicities

3366
02:03:23,270 --> 02:03:21,119
and

3367
02:03:25,350 --> 02:03:23,280
if you it's logically you kind of want

3368
02:03:27,589 --> 02:03:25,360
to dismiss these accounts but but on an

3369
02:03:30,790 --> 02:03:27,599
intuitive level this

3370
02:03:33,430 --> 02:03:30,800
chaos almost of some of these accounts

3371
02:03:35,350 --> 02:03:33,440
tends to for me anyway is a form of

3372
02:03:37,350 --> 02:03:35,360
confirmation right these stories are so

3373
02:03:38,790 --> 02:03:37,360
convoluted they're so mixed up so much

3374
02:03:40,550 --> 02:03:38,800
stuff going on you pull on any thread it

3375
02:03:42,470 --> 02:03:40,560
leads to another weird thing

3376
02:03:45,510 --> 02:03:42,480
to me that is a form of confirmation

3377
02:03:47,270 --> 02:03:45,520
that this account is genuine whatever it

3378
02:03:48,550 --> 02:03:47,280
might tie back to what the source what

3379
02:03:50,229 --> 02:03:48,560
the core

3380
02:03:52,470 --> 02:03:50,239
source of these experiences are either

3381
02:03:53,990 --> 02:03:52,480
anyone's guess but what i can say is

3382
02:03:55,510 --> 02:03:54,000
that there is

3383
02:03:56,629 --> 02:03:55,520
you know an odd set of experiences so

3384
02:03:58,550 --> 02:03:56,639
these are the stories that will be

3385
02:04:01,189 --> 02:03:58,560
featured in a book and this will be a

3386
02:04:03,430 --> 02:04:01,199
short book um you know 100 pages or so

3387
02:04:05,350 --> 02:04:03,440
and it will be released hopefully

3388
02:04:07,669 --> 02:04:05,360
sometime early next year

3389
02:04:09,750 --> 02:04:07,679
the problem was i simply the book is

3390
02:04:11,109 --> 02:04:09,760
nearly 400 pages long there was no way i

3391
02:04:13,030 --> 02:04:11,119
could just kind of say oh here's another

3392
02:04:15,109 --> 02:04:13,040
20 page story you know like in the

3393
02:04:17,669 --> 02:04:15,119
middle of a chapter it would it would uh

3394
02:04:19,030 --> 02:04:17,679
ruin the flow of the chapter so i was

3395
02:04:21,510 --> 02:04:19,040
originally going to have an appendix in

3396
02:04:23,430 --> 02:04:21,520
the book and i decided not to do that so

3397
02:04:24,790 --> 02:04:23,440
along the way it was just realized like

3398
02:04:25,830 --> 02:04:24,800
oh gosh there's this stuff i'm just

3399
02:04:27,430 --> 02:04:25,840
going to push this stuff to the side and

3400
02:04:29,669 --> 02:04:27,440
it'll be in a second book

3401
02:04:31,830 --> 02:04:29,679
well it's interesting uh you're talking

3402
02:04:33,430 --> 02:04:31,840
about stories and accounts that are

3403
02:04:36,149 --> 02:04:33,440
synchronistically and otherwise being

3404
02:04:37,910 --> 02:04:36,159
fed fed to you um you know in an echo

3405
02:04:39,109 --> 02:04:37,920
chamber sort of almost paradoxical

3406
02:04:41,189 --> 02:04:39,119
fashion

3407
02:04:42,790 --> 02:04:41,199
and raven's fee has an interesting

3408
02:04:44,470 --> 02:04:42,800
observation and

3409
02:04:46,310 --> 02:04:44,480
she writes the majority of the reports

3410
02:04:49,109 --> 02:04:46,320
you've compiled seem to be from anglo

3411
02:04:51,669 --> 02:04:49,119
countries north america australia the uk

3412
02:04:53,750 --> 02:04:51,679
and have occurred in the last 35 years

3413
02:04:55,750 --> 02:04:53,760
to what extent are these owl reports the

3414
02:04:58,870 --> 02:04:55,760
result of a specific cultural or

3415
02:05:00,870 --> 02:04:58,880
historic period if you can answer that

3416
02:05:02,870 --> 02:05:00,880
and then secondly

3417
02:05:05,030 --> 02:05:02,880
do we see similar reports from non-white

3418
02:05:06,550 --> 02:05:05,040
witnesses and do we see reports from

3419
02:05:09,430 --> 02:05:06,560
india china

3420
02:05:11,910 --> 02:05:09,440
in you know other the southeast um asia

3421
02:05:15,270 --> 02:05:11,920
let's say where the owl has a different

3422
02:05:18,070 --> 02:05:15,280
cultural connotation well the i think

3423
02:05:19,910 --> 02:05:18,080
that was you know like it was my own

3424
02:05:21,669 --> 02:05:19,920
subjectiveness you know in the way i did

3425
02:05:23,109 --> 02:05:21,679
the research right so i haven't i have a

3426
02:05:24,950 --> 02:05:23,119
blog in english

3427
02:05:25,910 --> 02:05:24,960
and uh so people are going to get a hold

3428
02:05:27,830 --> 02:05:25,920
of me

3429
02:05:29,830 --> 02:05:27,840
in you know english speaking people are

3430
02:05:32,149 --> 02:05:29,840
going to get a hold of me uh

3431
02:05:34,310 --> 02:05:32,159
so the way i did the research was just

3432
02:05:36,149 --> 02:05:34,320
you know online allowing these things to

3433
02:05:37,109 --> 02:05:36,159
to come to me

3434
02:05:39,030 --> 02:05:37,119
so

3435
02:05:41,270 --> 02:05:39,040
i just suspect this is completely

3436
02:05:43,669 --> 02:05:41,280
intuitive on my point that these stories

3437
02:05:46,390 --> 02:05:43,679
also exist in in you know non-english

3438
02:05:47,910 --> 02:05:46,400
speaking countries and you know where

3439
02:05:49,750 --> 02:05:47,920
i mean whatever i was sort of seeing

3440
02:05:51,589 --> 02:05:49,760
this through the lens of you know whitey

3441
02:05:53,510 --> 02:05:51,599
as because that's kind of where i was

3442
02:05:54,470 --> 02:05:53,520
coming from but uh

3443
02:05:55,669 --> 02:05:54,480
you know there's there's a couple

3444
02:05:56,870 --> 02:05:55,679
accounts there's an account in the book

3445
02:05:59,430 --> 02:05:56,880
from um

3446
02:06:01,990 --> 02:05:59,440
a woman from brazil that exactly matches

3447
02:06:03,430 --> 02:06:02,000
the tone of the of the of the stories

3448
02:06:05,510 --> 02:06:03,440
she spoke very good english i cleaned

3449
02:06:06,550 --> 02:06:05,520
her dialogue up just slightly in the

3450
02:06:07,669 --> 02:06:06,560
book um

3451
02:06:08,790 --> 02:06:07,679
[Music]

3452
02:06:10,390 --> 02:06:08,800
uh

3453
02:06:12,229 --> 02:06:10,400
so

3454
02:06:15,990 --> 02:06:12,239
my sense is that yes these stories would

3455
02:06:17,830 --> 02:06:16,000
be uh paralleled throughout the lore um

3456
02:06:18,950 --> 02:06:17,840
the native american stories

3457
02:06:21,430 --> 02:06:18,960
um

3458
02:06:22,870 --> 02:06:21,440
would seem to have a darker

3459
02:06:25,270 --> 02:06:22,880
cast to them

3460
02:06:28,070 --> 02:06:25,280
stories from let's say um

3461
02:06:29,270 --> 02:06:28,080
i got some stories from sweden that are

3462
02:06:31,669 --> 02:06:29,280
actually there's some interesting stuff

3463
02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:31,679
yes where where uh

3464
02:06:36,149 --> 02:06:33,760
oh

3465
02:06:37,750 --> 02:06:36,159
there's a lighter let's say lore to them

3466
02:06:39,830 --> 02:06:37,760
uh it's hard to say because there's not

3467
02:06:41,510 --> 02:06:39,840
a pattern here it's just like one and

3468
02:06:43,510 --> 02:06:41,520
you know it's hard to say with if you

3469
02:06:45,430 --> 02:06:43,520
don't i don't have a rich enough pool of

3470
02:06:47,270 --> 02:06:45,440
data to see a big pattern there so i'm

3471
02:06:49,189 --> 02:06:47,280
going to be cautious how i

3472
02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:49,199
how i answer this but yes my sense is

3473
02:06:52,550 --> 02:06:50,800
that this stuff is out there i don't

3474
02:06:55,350 --> 02:06:52,560
have any proof though

3475
02:06:57,189 --> 02:06:55,360
now with all these cultural influences

3476
02:06:59,270 --> 02:06:57,199
and the fact that these experiences

3477
02:07:00,950 --> 02:06:59,280
change over time depending

3478
02:07:02,709 --> 02:07:00,960
on our

3479
02:07:05,350 --> 02:07:02,719
expectations

3480
02:07:07,589 --> 02:07:05,360
is there a way at all to find the source

3481
02:07:08,550 --> 02:07:07,599
the core experience because we're moving

3482
02:07:10,870 --> 02:07:08,560
past

3483
02:07:11,750 --> 02:07:10,880
the literal interpretation way beyond

3484
02:07:13,750 --> 02:07:11,760
that

3485
02:07:15,270 --> 02:07:13,760
well i mean on one sense you can die and

3486
02:07:16,550 --> 02:07:15,280
then have like you know the in you know

3487
02:07:17,750 --> 02:07:16,560
one of the questions you ask when you go

3488
02:07:19,109 --> 02:07:17,760
into the white light is like you know

3489
02:07:20,310 --> 02:07:19,119
what's going on with all this stuff when

3490
02:07:22,229 --> 02:07:20,320
you're in some other realm you might be

3491
02:07:24,629 --> 02:07:22,239
able to you know receive the answer

3492
02:07:26,310 --> 02:07:24,639
quite honestly i think that like i mean

3493
02:07:28,950 --> 02:07:26,320
my god how many ufo books have been

3494
02:07:29,750 --> 02:07:28,960
written in the last 70 years and how you

3495
02:07:31,830 --> 02:07:29,760
know

3496
02:07:33,350 --> 02:07:31,840
how divergent are the conclusions you

3497
02:07:35,430 --> 02:07:33,360
know so i don't know what the source is

3498
02:07:37,109 --> 02:07:35,440
going to be so like i think i'd be

3499
02:07:39,030 --> 02:07:37,119
foolish to say what i think the source

3500
02:07:41,350 --> 02:07:39,040
might be what i can say is there's a

3501
02:07:43,350 --> 02:07:41,360
couple avenues of thought that were very

3502
02:07:45,430 --> 02:07:43,360
productive one of his archetypes you

3503
02:07:48,310 --> 02:07:45,440
know like owl says archetype an

3504
02:07:50,390 --> 02:07:48,320
archetypal symbol so not an owl as a

3505
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:50,400
bird with big eyes but the symbol of the

3506
02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:52,800
owl and this is you know i mean whatever

3507
02:07:55,830 --> 02:07:54,480
some philosophy students

3508
02:07:57,750 --> 02:07:55,840
at a

3509
02:07:59,109 --> 02:07:57,760
university could you know spend many a

3510
02:08:01,189 --> 02:07:59,119
late night trying to figure out what

3511
02:08:03,669 --> 02:08:01,199
that that symbol might mean but i can

3512
02:08:05,430 --> 02:08:03,679
say that there is a symbol and owls can

3513
02:08:07,669 --> 02:08:05,440
be seen symbolically

3514
02:08:11,189 --> 02:08:07,679
i can only sort of tap at the at the

3515
02:08:12,950 --> 02:08:11,199
edges of what that might truly imply

3516
02:08:14,149 --> 02:08:12,960
so i think i think it's interesting that

3517
02:08:17,990 --> 02:08:14,159
owls

3518
02:08:19,750 --> 02:08:18,000
are asking who instead of why or what

3519
02:08:21,510 --> 02:08:19,760
only in north america yeah so they don't

3520
02:08:23,189 --> 02:08:21,520
say that in other places so there's very

3521
02:08:25,270 --> 02:08:23,199
few of us only in really north american

3522
02:08:28,390 --> 02:08:25,280
owls have the classic low hooting noise

3523
02:08:30,709 --> 02:08:28,400
most owls make you know kind of squawky

3524
02:08:31,990 --> 02:08:30,719
noises or beeping noises you know so

3525
02:08:34,069 --> 02:08:32,000
there's only a few owls that will

3526
02:08:36,629 --> 02:08:34,079
actually ask who that would be the bar

3527
02:08:38,870 --> 02:08:36,639
doll the great gray and the great horned

3528
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well william stratham uh asks an

3529
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interesting question and

3530
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he says at the end of your book you

3531
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write when i sleep outside i will very

3532
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often make a plea to the universe i will

3533
02:08:51,350 --> 02:08:48,800
state out loud that i am open and

3534
02:08:53,270 --> 02:08:51,360
receptive to whatever you have to offer

3535
02:08:55,990 --> 02:08:53,280
asking the universe is a little less

3536
02:08:57,910 --> 02:08:56,000
churchy than saying god but it's

3537
02:08:59,750 --> 02:08:57,920
essentially the same thing uh that

3538
02:09:01,350 --> 02:08:59,760
you're asking for a message

3539
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:01,360
what kind of response do you anticipate

3540
02:09:05,270 --> 02:09:02,880
i mean obviously the synchronicity

3541
02:09:07,109 --> 02:09:05,280
element we've talked to but are you out

3542
02:09:09,830 --> 02:09:07,119
asking for encounters with owls coyotes

3543
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aliens in your estimation would it be

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possible for a being worthy of the title

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of god to respond directly to you by

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articulate english even if internally

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and in light of your acceptance of the

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divine do you think there is also an

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actual satanic demonic aspect of reality

3550
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dangerous to humans that one must avoid

3551
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in other words if you believe in one end

3552
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of the spectrum uh the positive end then

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you know maybe there's a a counterweight

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to that

3555
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we will have his answer in the next

3556
02:09:40,790 --> 02:09:36,719
segment i'm just thinking when you're

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talking there of watching childhoods end

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the

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clarke novel where we deal with higher

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beings being the overlords

3561
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who are red demons with tails

3562
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forktails actually uh

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spaded tails

3564
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certainly

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i don't know kind of a depressing ending

3566
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that the human you know i don't want to

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do a spoiler here i'd say if you can

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access on demand for sci-fi channel you

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should watch it it's not quite the same

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as the book

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okay but still nonetheless interesting

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we have mike clelland who's going to

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answer the question posed by one of our

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so i've been giving mike helen a little

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time to digest the question from one of

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our listeners at forum.powercast.com

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in the question bank mike well i mean

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the question is i mean there was kind of

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a multi-layered question and just you

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might want to reread the question now if

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i stray too far i often do that you know

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i can

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sort of answer what i want to answer

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rather than the question itself

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sometimes well that makes you a

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so you make a plea to the universe you

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know like i kind of

3699
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go right up to the line and say you know

3700
02:15:35,910 --> 02:15:34,079
calling it god and then back off and you

3701
02:15:37,910 --> 02:15:35,920
know that's uh but you so you make a

3702
02:15:40,310 --> 02:15:37,920
plea to the universe

3703
02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:40,320
and oftentimes i will get these answers

3704
02:15:43,910 --> 02:15:42,000
and the answers will come very

3705
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symbolically and that's that's what i

3706
02:15:48,550 --> 02:15:46,159
have been documenting in the blog

3707
02:15:50,069 --> 02:15:48,560
you know i mean what's how to say this

3708
02:15:50,950 --> 02:15:50,079
like so if i answer you know if i ask

3709
02:15:52,390 --> 02:15:50,960
the question you know like what's the

3710
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meaning of the universe you know and and

3711
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then

3712
02:15:56,390 --> 02:15:54,800
you know god steps out of a cloud and

3713
02:15:58,069 --> 02:15:56,400
explains it very succinctly to me and

3714
02:15:59,830 --> 02:15:58,079
then steps back into the cloud i mean

3715
02:16:01,990 --> 02:15:59,840
kind of what's the fun in that you know

3716
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i mean wouldn't it be better to

3717
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uh i mean like an example is i would

3718
02:16:07,109 --> 02:16:05,760
sleep out in the mountains and

3719
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uh

3720
02:16:09,589 --> 02:16:08,719
have

3721
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a

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it's demonic

3723
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:20,479
is is i mean this is this is where

3724
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that's all subjective it's all you know

3725
02:17:27,190 --> 02:17:25,599
subject to your your your cultural

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biases and

3727
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you know the environment that you were

3728
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raised in and of course one man's demon

3729
02:17:35,429 --> 02:17:34,080
is another man's uh you know dark lord

3730
02:17:37,910 --> 02:17:35,439
or whatever so

3731
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everything's relative obviously

3732
02:17:41,990 --> 02:17:40,000
exactly and and the you know i've

3733
02:17:44,070 --> 02:17:42,000
certainly heard people sat with people

3734
02:17:45,990 --> 02:17:44,080
and they've told me extremely dark

3735
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frightening stories i've also heard

3736
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people tell like beautiful blissful

3737
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transcendent stories and i trust both

3738
02:17:55,190 --> 02:17:53,040
these people are telling their real

3739
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experiences so so what am i to make of

3740
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this uh

3741
02:18:01,270 --> 02:17:58,960
you know i mean

3742
02:18:03,190 --> 02:18:01,280
the the this phenomenon whether it's a

3743
02:18:05,509 --> 02:18:03,200
ufo thing or however you know whatever

3744
02:18:07,589 --> 02:18:05,519
grand umbrella term you want to use

3745
02:18:09,429 --> 02:18:07,599
can manifest in these extremely

3746
02:18:11,669 --> 02:18:09,439
divergent ways and it doesn't make one

3747
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person right and one person wrong

3748
02:18:15,990 --> 02:18:13,920
so but yeah it's like a careful what you

3749
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wish for scenario

3750
02:18:20,709 --> 02:18:17,920
subconsciously you know fully

3751
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consciously or unconsciously sure yeah

3752
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yeah just you know have your uh

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have your intention and your

3754
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your your focus uh

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02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:29,840
kind of tuned into where you actually

3756
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want to go um and don't shoot yourself

3757
02:18:34,549 --> 02:18:33,519
in the foot

3758
02:18:36,070 --> 02:18:34,559
well i mean

3759
02:18:38,790 --> 02:18:36,080
in the production

3760
02:18:40,629 --> 02:18:38,800
get just the perfect story at just the

3761
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perfect moment and i'm sure other offers

3762
02:18:44,070 --> 02:18:42,319
authors have had that kind of experience

3763
02:18:46,309 --> 02:18:44,080
but this is the first time i've ever

3764
02:18:48,070 --> 02:18:46,319
tackled anything a project this grand

3765
02:18:49,750 --> 02:18:48,080
and i was just

3766
02:18:52,389 --> 02:18:49,760
shocked at how

3767
02:18:54,629 --> 02:18:52,399
you know right when i needed a certain

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02:18:56,950 --> 02:18:54,639
you know like i was kind of stuck or or

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you know there's some some blank spot in

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02:19:00,230 --> 02:18:59,359
the in the the overall

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02:19:01,910 --> 02:19:00,240
um

3772
02:19:04,830 --> 02:19:01,920
you know outline you know the perfect

3773
02:19:07,669 --> 02:19:04,840
story would would arrive that would drop

3774
02:19:09,190 --> 02:19:07,679
in isn't it amazing yeah i love it and

3775
02:19:12,950 --> 02:19:09,200
it does happen too

3776
02:19:15,190 --> 02:19:12,960
yeah well well mike um shadow gov who's

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02:19:17,669 --> 02:19:15,200
you know been a poster since 2009 and

3778
02:19:19,950 --> 02:19:17,679
he's only actually posted 19

3779
02:19:21,830 --> 02:19:19,960
messages at the forum at

3780
02:19:23,110 --> 02:19:21,840
forum.theperacast.com so you're bringing

3781
02:19:25,910 --> 02:19:23,120
them out of the woodwork which is a good

3782
02:19:27,190 --> 02:19:25,920
thing that's kind of a kudos for you

3783
02:19:29,589 --> 02:19:27,200
and he says from listening to your

3784
02:19:31,669 --> 02:19:29,599
podcast i always get the impression that

3785
02:19:33,190 --> 02:19:31,679
you learn you lean more towards the

3786
02:19:35,349 --> 02:19:33,200
quote love and light unquote

3787
02:19:37,270 --> 02:19:35,359
interpretation of the phenomenon

3788
02:19:39,110 --> 02:19:37,280
and he thinks your views are actually

3789
02:19:41,110 --> 02:19:39,120
more nuanced than that

3790
02:19:43,669 --> 02:19:41,120
but he says i always felt that this was

3791
02:19:46,629 --> 02:19:43,679
his bias however on several podcast

3792
02:19:49,429 --> 02:19:46,639
episodes he talked about dr carla turner

3793
02:19:51,190 --> 02:19:49,439
which is a much darker view of abduction

3794
02:19:52,710 --> 02:19:51,200
so i always sense that there was a

3795
02:19:54,309 --> 02:19:52,720
tension between opposing views

3796
02:19:56,309 --> 02:19:54,319
throughout your shows and

3797
02:19:58,469 --> 02:19:56,319
you know he says i was wondering where

3798
02:19:59,590 --> 02:19:58,479
you stand now uh do you think that

3799
02:20:00,870 --> 02:19:59,600
there's any

3800
02:20:02,790 --> 02:20:00,880
you know my question is do you think

3801
02:20:04,469 --> 02:20:02,800
there's a leaning one way or another or

3802
02:20:05,990 --> 02:20:04,479
it is all totally

3803
02:20:07,990 --> 02:20:06,000
subjective in the

3804
02:20:10,309 --> 02:20:08,000
sense or the eye of the beholder

3805
02:20:11,670 --> 02:20:10,319
or the experiencer i can tell you i want

3806
02:20:12,870 --> 02:20:11,680
it to be all living light you know i

3807
02:20:14,870 --> 02:20:12,880
mean wouldn't that be nice you know i

3808
02:20:15,990 --> 02:20:14,880
mean that's so that's very much a want

3809
02:20:16,950 --> 02:20:16,000
you know there's nothing i would love

3810
02:20:19,349 --> 02:20:16,960
more

3811
02:20:21,990 --> 02:20:19,359
than to to realize or just have some

3812
02:20:25,190 --> 02:20:22,000
answer that the source of all this is

3813
02:20:27,270 --> 02:20:25,200
from this benevolent angelic presence

3814
02:20:29,429 --> 02:20:27,280
that's leading us forward i there are

3815
02:20:30,950 --> 02:20:29,439
certainly stories that match that

3816
02:20:32,469 --> 02:20:30,960
closely you know you could you could

3817
02:20:34,630 --> 02:20:32,479
that would that would paint that picture

3818
02:20:37,190 --> 02:20:34,640
but that's not universal so

3819
02:20:39,429 --> 02:20:37,200
um you know the scales are constantly

3820
02:20:41,670 --> 02:20:39,439
tipping i i i feel like i'm

3821
02:20:44,150 --> 02:20:41,680
i've got this kind of empathic side to

3822
02:20:46,070 --> 02:20:44,160
me where i like i'm empathetic and can

3823
02:20:47,510 --> 02:20:46,080
and when someone tells me a story i just

3824
02:20:49,270 --> 02:20:47,520
get wrapped up in it you know like i

3825
02:20:51,270 --> 02:20:49,280
feel it i sense it i listen to their

3826
02:20:53,110 --> 02:20:51,280
words i just get sort of drawn into it

3827
02:20:54,710 --> 02:20:53,120
and so you go let's for instance you go

3828
02:20:55,429 --> 02:20:54,720
to a ufo conference you know you talk to

3829
02:20:58,710 --> 02:20:55,439
one

3830
02:20:59,750 --> 02:20:58,720
you know lady with her flowy linen dress

3831
02:21:01,349 --> 02:20:59,760
and her

3832
02:21:03,270 --> 02:21:01,359
turquoise beads and stuff like that at

3833
02:21:05,190 --> 02:21:03,280
one table and you hear her account and

3834
02:21:07,750 --> 02:21:05,200
it's just angelic and beautiful and

3835
02:21:10,070 --> 02:21:07,760
she's she and i listen as closely as i

3836
02:21:11,270 --> 02:21:10,080
can and try to try to hear exactly what

3837
02:21:13,190 --> 02:21:11,280
she's saying

3838
02:21:15,190 --> 02:21:13,200
and then you walk across the aisle and

3839
02:21:16,870 --> 02:21:15,200
you talk to someone else you know

3840
02:21:19,670 --> 02:21:16,880
some former military guy with a you know

3841
02:21:21,750 --> 02:21:19,680
with a mustache and a bunch of

3842
02:21:23,590 --> 02:21:21,760
documents on his desk and and you hear a

3843
02:21:25,830 --> 02:21:23,600
completely different account and at this

3844
02:21:29,590 --> 02:21:25,840
and the same thing happens to me i get

3845
02:21:31,190 --> 02:21:29,600
drawn in i get swept away by the story

3846
02:21:33,190 --> 02:21:31,200
you know and in a way somewhere early in

3847
02:21:35,510 --> 02:21:33,200
the book i say it i say i'm a disciple

3848
02:21:37,830 --> 02:21:35,520
of the story and what i tried to do in

3849
02:21:39,750 --> 02:21:37,840
this book was which i didn't sometimes i

3850
02:21:41,910 --> 02:21:39,760
succeeded sometimes i didn't was i let

3851
02:21:44,150 --> 02:21:41,920
the story speak for itself right so you

3852
02:21:46,150 --> 02:21:44,160
you have a uh you know that the shaman

3853
02:21:48,389 --> 02:21:46,160
sitting around the campfire

3854
02:21:49,910 --> 02:21:48,399
you know would tell the the story to the

3855
02:21:52,070 --> 02:21:49,920
villagers right they would all listen

3856
02:21:54,230 --> 02:21:52,080
detentively and

3857
02:21:55,830 --> 02:21:54,240
if this story would probably be told in

3858
02:21:57,990 --> 02:21:55,840
symbolic form

3859
02:21:59,830 --> 02:21:58,000
and then at the end i don't know if it's

3860
02:22:01,590 --> 02:21:59,840
the role of the of the shaman to say

3861
02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:01,600
well you know here's the meaning of the

3862
02:22:04,710 --> 02:22:03,359
story here's what it really means here's

3863
02:22:06,790 --> 02:22:04,720
all the underlying stuff here let's

3864
02:22:08,870 --> 02:22:06,800
examine the story i think the story

3865
02:22:10,870 --> 02:22:08,880
itself has a has a power

3866
02:22:12,469 --> 02:22:10,880
and then sometimes you can over examine

3867
02:22:13,590 --> 02:22:12,479
it and get lost and i feel like i

3868
02:22:15,750 --> 02:22:13,600
probably did that to a degree in the

3869
02:22:17,670 --> 02:22:15,760
book where i over examined this

3870
02:22:20,710 --> 02:22:17,680
and and i mean you can almost sense that

3871
02:22:23,030 --> 02:22:20,720
this book is being is me being lost in

3872
02:22:24,469 --> 02:22:23,040
that attempt to make sense of these kind

3873
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:24,479
of accounts

3874
02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:26,560
that's a very honest assessment of your

3875
02:22:29,270 --> 02:22:27,600
work

3876
02:22:30,309 --> 02:22:29,280
most authors would like to think that

3877
02:22:33,349 --> 02:22:30,319
they

3878
02:22:35,590 --> 02:22:33,359
are in complete control and

3879
02:22:37,030 --> 02:22:35,600
are totally on top of their work and and

3880
02:22:38,150 --> 02:22:37,040
it's good to hear

3881
02:22:39,910 --> 02:22:38,160
that there's

3882
02:22:41,990 --> 02:22:39,920
you know some areas where you're really

3883
02:22:43,670 --> 02:22:42,000
not sure and and

3884
02:22:45,670 --> 02:22:43,680
you know you do

3885
02:22:49,190 --> 02:22:45,680
you are a very good

3886
02:22:50,710 --> 02:22:49,200
um analyzer of of data and you

3887
02:22:52,790 --> 02:22:50,720
you allow your mind to go in different

3888
02:22:54,389 --> 02:22:52,800
directions and then you you pick up the

3889
02:22:57,349 --> 02:22:54,399
relevant bits

3890
02:22:59,510 --> 02:22:57,359
and uh in in i've always you know felt

3891
02:23:00,469 --> 02:22:59,520
that about you and it is almost to a

3892
02:23:02,950 --> 02:23:00,479
fault

3893
02:23:05,830 --> 02:23:02,960
but um you know here's another question

3894
02:23:07,349 --> 02:23:05,840
from shadowgov and

3895
02:23:09,510 --> 02:23:07,359
you know he says it's it's a bit off

3896
02:23:11,030 --> 02:23:09,520
topic but he understands that you're

3897
02:23:14,070 --> 02:23:11,040
active in the ultralight backpack

3898
02:23:16,230 --> 02:23:14,080
community and you're an avid outdoorsman

3899
02:23:18,070 --> 02:23:16,240
and as such he's wondering if you would

3900
02:23:19,030 --> 02:23:18,080
care to address the following questions

3901
02:23:20,230 --> 02:23:19,040
um

3902
02:23:22,469 --> 02:23:20,240
have you ever looked into david

3903
02:23:24,389 --> 02:23:22,479
pellitti's work the missing

3904
02:23:27,830 --> 02:23:24,399
411 project

3905
02:23:30,230 --> 02:23:27,840
and do you think they could be

3906
02:23:31,429 --> 02:23:30,240
possibly alien abductions and

3907
02:23:33,510 --> 02:23:31,439
have you ever heard of a similar

3908
02:23:35,429 --> 02:23:33,520
experiences up in idaho and in some of

3909
02:23:37,510 --> 02:23:35,439
the uh the more remote areas that that

3910
02:23:39,510 --> 02:23:37,520
you've lived and he'd also like to get

3911
02:23:41,830 --> 02:23:39,520
your opinion on bigfoot

3912
02:23:43,349 --> 02:23:41,840
okay so uh so i am familiar with david

3913
02:23:45,510 --> 02:23:43,359
pilates i actually had a little back and

3914
02:23:47,349 --> 02:23:45,520
forth correspondence with him where i

3915
02:23:48,870 --> 02:23:47,359
sent him an account

3916
02:23:50,550 --> 02:23:48,880
that's a little bit long and that will

3917
02:23:52,469 --> 02:23:50,560
be in the

3918
02:23:54,630 --> 02:23:52,479
companion book stories from the

3919
02:23:57,030 --> 02:23:54,640
messengers one of these crazy mixed up

3920
02:23:58,550 --> 02:23:57,040
things because it had the flavor of what

3921
02:24:00,389 --> 02:23:58,560
he was saying there were these little

3922
02:24:02,870 --> 02:24:00,399
elements in his stories this was

3923
02:24:05,030 --> 02:24:02,880
involved a woman who

3924
02:24:06,710 --> 02:24:05,040
was hiking with her boyfriend she was

3925
02:24:08,550 --> 02:24:06,720
with him and she just got a little bit

3926
02:24:09,750 --> 02:24:08,560
behind him on the trail and then

3927
02:24:11,670 --> 02:24:09,760
suddenly she said well i'm going to walk

3928
02:24:14,150 --> 02:24:11,680
over here and sit down that always

3929
02:24:15,750 --> 02:24:14,160
begins the next part of the story let's

3930
02:24:18,790 --> 02:24:15,760
do it in our next segment our final

3931
02:24:20,790 --> 02:24:18,800
segment it's gone so fast mike cleland

3932
02:24:25,250 --> 02:24:20,800
with gina and chris you're in the

3933
02:24:25,260 --> 02:24:28,550
[Music]

3934
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cameras or from scanners need to do some

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4047
02:29:02,870 --> 02:29:01,200
okay mike lowen telling the story which

4048
02:29:04,870 --> 02:29:02,880
is going to be part of the companion

4049
02:29:06,790 --> 02:29:04,880
book for the messengers

4050
02:29:09,190 --> 02:29:06,800
all right so she

4051
02:29:11,510 --> 02:29:09,200
sits down for a moment and then she's

4052
02:29:13,990 --> 02:29:11,520
she hears owls hooting

4053
02:29:15,270 --> 02:29:14,000
and she takes her shoes off

4054
02:29:17,190 --> 02:29:15,280
uh which is something that shows up in

4055
02:29:19,429 --> 02:29:17,200
david polite's thing and then she sees

4056
02:29:22,309 --> 02:29:19,439
ufos but she describes them not as

4057
02:29:25,190 --> 02:29:22,319
metallic craft these are kind of

4058
02:29:27,590 --> 02:29:25,200
trans-dimensional orbs that kind of pass

4059
02:29:28,790 --> 02:29:27,600
above her and things get very trippy and

4060
02:29:30,309 --> 02:29:28,800
i literally said like wait a minute

4061
02:29:31,990 --> 02:29:30,319
you're gonna take any mushrooms or lsd

4062
02:29:33,670 --> 02:29:32,000
or anything it's like nope nope that's

4063
02:29:34,630 --> 02:29:33,680
the story she tells

4064
02:29:36,710 --> 02:29:34,640
and

4065
02:29:38,070 --> 02:29:36,720
so she's gone for a number of hours

4066
02:29:40,070 --> 02:29:38,080
which seems like just a number of

4067
02:29:41,830 --> 02:29:40,080
minutes to her her boyfriend comes

4068
02:29:42,870 --> 02:29:41,840
finally finds her the sun is down at

4069
02:29:44,790 --> 02:29:42,880
this point

4070
02:29:45,990 --> 02:29:44,800
and um he says where have you been she

4071
02:29:47,429 --> 02:29:46,000
says i've been right here and said no

4072
02:29:48,389 --> 02:29:47,439
you haven't i've searched right here and

4073
02:29:51,270 --> 02:29:48,399
then

4074
02:29:53,110 --> 02:29:51,280
the uh there's all of these odd

4075
02:29:54,550 --> 02:29:53,120
synchronicities that are associated with

4076
02:29:56,790 --> 02:29:54,560
this story

4077
02:29:59,030 --> 02:29:56,800
uh it gets very complicated very and

4078
02:30:00,710 --> 02:29:59,040
that one is this one is so tough to to

4079
02:30:02,790 --> 02:30:00,720
almost wrap my mind around because her

4080
02:30:05,670 --> 02:30:02,800
explanation of it is so

4081
02:30:07,510 --> 02:30:05,680
ethereal and trippy now

4082
02:30:09,030 --> 02:30:07,520
there's elements that show up in david

4083
02:30:11,429 --> 02:30:09,040
pilate's work so i sent him this little

4084
02:30:14,309 --> 02:30:11,439
essay and we exchanged a few things and

4085
02:30:16,150 --> 02:30:14,319
and uh and he to give him to his credit

4086
02:30:17,590 --> 02:30:16,160
he was basically like listen i don't

4087
02:30:18,630 --> 02:30:17,600
know who you are i can't i'm going to be

4088
02:30:20,550 --> 02:30:18,640
very careful i don't want to say

4089
02:30:21,510 --> 02:30:20,560
anything because if i get quoted out of

4090
02:30:23,349 --> 02:30:21,520
out of

4091
02:30:24,150 --> 02:30:23,359
context it just doesn't you know it'll

4092
02:30:25,750 --> 02:30:24,160
be

4093
02:30:27,270 --> 02:30:25,760
he's i think he had bad luck with that

4094
02:30:29,190 --> 02:30:27,280
so i was like fair enough

4095
02:30:30,790 --> 02:30:29,200
he also david pilates does bigfoot

4096
02:30:33,590 --> 02:30:30,800
research so he's put me in touch with a

4097
02:30:35,429 --> 02:30:33,600
bigfoot researcher and i feel like

4098
02:30:36,950 --> 02:30:35,439
i ca you know the bigfoot researcher i'm

4099
02:30:38,150 --> 02:30:36,960
drawing a complete blank on his name

4100
02:30:40,630 --> 02:30:38,160
right now

4101
02:30:42,309 --> 02:30:40,640
implied that there was uh an owl

4102
02:30:45,030 --> 02:30:42,319
connection you know bigfoot researchers

4103
02:30:46,630 --> 02:30:45,040
will often have odd owl accounts

4104
02:30:48,710 --> 02:30:46,640
in their stories

4105
02:30:50,790 --> 02:30:48,720
uh i mean just this very quick one that

4106
02:30:52,389 --> 02:30:50,800
he shared with me someone saw you know a

4107
02:30:53,910 --> 02:30:52,399
bigfoot and then this area and then they

4108
02:30:55,750 --> 02:30:53,920
went into the woods and found this great

4109
02:30:57,910 --> 02:30:55,760
big giant pile of feces that didn't look

4110
02:30:59,590 --> 02:30:57,920
like bear feces and didn't look like you

4111
02:31:01,429 --> 02:30:59,600
know moose feces or anything like that

4112
02:31:03,590 --> 02:31:01,439
so and as they were sort of you know

4113
02:31:05,110 --> 02:31:03,600
bagging it up and examining it the whole

4114
02:31:06,550 --> 02:31:05,120
time an owl stood on a branch and

4115
02:31:07,670 --> 02:31:06,560
watched them doing this

4116
02:31:09,030 --> 02:31:07,680
um

4117
02:31:10,550 --> 02:31:09,040
in full daylight you know that doesn't

4118
02:31:12,950 --> 02:31:10,560
prove anything this is these are kind of

4119
02:31:15,110 --> 02:31:12,960
the anecdotal tales that just accompany

4120
02:31:16,550 --> 02:31:15,120
this stuff so my

4121
02:31:18,070 --> 02:31:16,560
sense is

4122
02:31:19,990 --> 02:31:18,080
and i actually asked rosemary ellen

4123
02:31:21,750 --> 02:31:20,000
guyley this you know in a way that the

4124
02:31:23,110 --> 02:31:21,760
my sense is that the bigfoot thing no

4125
02:31:24,230 --> 02:31:23,120
one's ever going to capture a bigfoot no

4126
02:31:26,230 --> 02:31:24,240
one's going to shoot one no one's going

4127
02:31:28,070 --> 02:31:26,240
to take one to the smithsonian

4128
02:31:29,670 --> 02:31:28,080
it ain't how it works this is some sort

4129
02:31:31,670 --> 02:31:29,680
of interdimensional

4130
02:31:33,670 --> 02:31:31,680
spirit entity that can manifest

4131
02:31:36,150 --> 02:31:33,680
physically in a way that it can leave

4132
02:31:37,590 --> 02:31:36,160
footprints i've talked to enough folks

4133
02:31:39,030 --> 02:31:37,600
that have done bigfoot research and they

4134
02:31:41,429 --> 02:31:39,040
just tell stories oh we followed these

4135
02:31:42,550 --> 02:31:41,439
big footprints off into the open meadow

4136
02:31:44,630 --> 02:31:42,560
in the snow and right in the middle of

4137
02:31:45,830 --> 02:31:44,640
the meadow poof they've stopped nowhere

4138
02:31:47,110 --> 02:31:45,840
for this thing to go they don't

4139
02:31:49,110 --> 02:31:47,120
understand how the footprints could have

4140
02:31:51,110 --> 02:31:49,120
stopped so something very unusual is

4141
02:31:52,790 --> 02:31:51,120
taking place the question i asked is

4142
02:31:54,950 --> 02:31:52,800
there's a kind of divergence in the

4143
02:31:57,030 --> 02:31:54,960
bigfoot research community between

4144
02:31:58,309 --> 02:31:57,040
the nuts and bolts researchers who think

4145
02:31:59,750 --> 02:31:58,319
this well i guess it would be flesh and

4146
02:32:01,990 --> 02:31:59,760
blood researchers who think this is like

4147
02:32:03,429 --> 02:32:02,000
a big ape that has somehow eluded

4148
02:32:05,590 --> 02:32:03,439
scientists for

4149
02:32:07,510 --> 02:32:05,600
ever and then on the other end a very

4150
02:32:09,349 --> 02:32:07,520
small minority and researchers like yeah

4151
02:32:10,630 --> 02:32:09,359
they're very the 14 researchers the

4152
02:32:12,950 --> 02:32:10,640
minority who were saying oh this is

4153
02:32:14,550 --> 02:32:12,960
something much more unusual and i asked

4154
02:32:16,389 --> 02:32:14,560
rosemariel and golly like okay if they

4155
02:32:18,469 --> 02:32:16,399
had a pie fight at a bigfoot conference

4156
02:32:19,990 --> 02:32:18,479
who would win the pie fight you know the

4157
02:32:22,790 --> 02:32:20,000
the flesh and blood researchers are the

4158
02:32:24,230 --> 02:32:22,800
fortian ones and in her way she was she

4159
02:32:26,070 --> 02:32:24,240
didn't answer it she said well there are

4160
02:32:27,750 --> 02:32:26,080
certainly more of the flesh and blood

4161
02:32:29,429 --> 02:32:27,760
researchers sort of implying that they

4162
02:32:31,670 --> 02:32:29,439
would win the pie fight well maybe

4163
02:32:33,750 --> 02:32:31,680
they're using larger pies also

4164
02:32:36,389 --> 02:32:33,760
perhaps yeah pies do have a remarkable

4165
02:32:39,270 --> 02:32:36,399
similarity to the shape of a ufo so we

4166
02:32:41,270 --> 02:32:39,280
can add that in too so oh my brother

4167
02:32:42,870 --> 02:32:41,280
rest his soul had a

4168
02:32:45,670 --> 02:32:42,880
a bigfoot experience where there were

4169
02:32:47,270 --> 02:32:45,680
five footprints uh going across a road

4170
02:32:48,230 --> 02:32:47,280
and coming to the road and leaving the

4171
02:32:50,150 --> 02:32:48,240
road

4172
02:32:51,670 --> 02:32:50,160
there were none and one of them was so

4173
02:32:54,309 --> 02:32:51,680
pristine they could actually see the

4174
02:32:55,510 --> 02:32:54,319
foot whirls in the print yeah i don't

4175
02:32:57,429 --> 02:32:55,520
know what to make of any of this except

4176
02:32:59,830 --> 02:32:57,439
that that people are reporting this i

4177
02:33:02,710 --> 02:32:59,840
know a ufo abductee who's doing what i

4178
02:33:04,070 --> 02:33:02,720
consider very strong bigfoot research in

4179
02:33:05,110 --> 02:33:04,080
utah

4180
02:33:07,990 --> 02:33:05,120
oh wow

4181
02:33:10,230 --> 02:33:08,000
so i mean what to make of that so

4182
02:33:12,550 --> 02:33:10,240
one thing leads to the other

4183
02:33:15,110 --> 02:33:12,560
now do you have any hopes here

4184
02:33:17,190 --> 02:33:15,120
in getting any answers out of this or as

4185
02:33:19,110 --> 02:33:17,200
every step of the journey

4186
02:33:21,270 --> 02:33:19,120
bringing its own questions

4187
02:33:22,550 --> 02:33:21,280
i have no hopes of getting an answer i

4188
02:33:24,070 --> 02:33:22,560
enjoy

4189
02:33:25,270 --> 02:33:24,080
the mystery you know what i mean there's

4190
02:33:26,790 --> 02:33:25,280
kind of a point in the middle of the

4191
02:33:28,150 --> 02:33:26,800
detective novel right you know where

4192
02:33:29,510 --> 02:33:28,160
like you know the crime hasn't been

4193
02:33:31,190 --> 02:33:29,520
solved and there's a reason there's like

4194
02:33:32,550 --> 02:33:31,200
detective novels are a popular genre

4195
02:33:35,030 --> 02:33:32,560
like this it's like wow this is really

4196
02:33:36,070 --> 02:33:35,040
engaging this is exciting this is fun

4197
02:33:37,510 --> 02:33:36,080
um

4198
02:33:39,510 --> 02:33:37,520
at the end of the book oftentimes it's a

4199
02:33:41,590 --> 02:33:39,520
kind of a letdown you know like oh that

4200
02:33:42,870 --> 02:33:41,600
person did it okay okay but the the joy

4201
02:33:43,830 --> 02:33:42,880
of the detective novel is somewhere in

4202
02:33:45,510 --> 02:33:43,840
the middle

4203
02:33:47,990 --> 02:33:45,520
and in a funny way i feel like i'm in

4204
02:33:49,590 --> 02:33:48,000
the middle of this you know in a way the

4205
02:33:50,550 --> 02:33:49,600
novel of my life where i'm digging into

4206
02:33:53,590 --> 02:33:50,560
this stuff

4207
02:33:56,389 --> 02:33:53,600
and it has been remarkably fun so

4208
02:33:58,790 --> 02:33:56,399
um i don't expect an answer if i

4209
02:34:00,790 --> 02:33:58,800
proclaimed some answer

4210
02:34:02,230 --> 02:34:00,800
someone can find this thing later if i

4211
02:34:05,190 --> 02:34:02,240
do proclaim an answer and then i'll call

4212
02:34:07,510 --> 02:34:05,200
me out on it um i would caution anyone

4213
02:34:08,870 --> 02:34:07,520
to not trust the answer i gave

4214
02:34:10,389 --> 02:34:08,880
so uh

4215
02:34:12,150 --> 02:34:10,399
but i mean i might have some good

4216
02:34:13,830 --> 02:34:12,160
questions i mean like the you know the

4217
02:34:15,510 --> 02:34:13,840
archetype thing is a really interesting

4218
02:34:16,710 --> 02:34:15,520
avenue of thought to go down that road

4219
02:34:18,150 --> 02:34:16,720
and think about you know how that

4220
02:34:21,190 --> 02:34:18,160
implies you know what the how that plays

4221
02:34:22,950 --> 02:34:21,200
out and and so yeah i have no i have no

4222
02:34:25,670 --> 02:34:22,960
i don't plan on finding an answer at the

4223
02:34:28,550 --> 02:34:25,680
same time no agenda to promote or a drum

4224
02:34:30,950 --> 02:34:28,560
to bang well i'm an agenda to promote in

4225
02:34:33,910 --> 02:34:30,960
a drum to bang would be that this stuff

4226
02:34:35,830 --> 02:34:33,920
is far stranger than we dare suspect

4227
02:34:38,230 --> 02:34:35,840
like what i did is i underwent a journey

4228
02:34:39,270 --> 02:34:38,240
i i picked the

4229
02:34:40,389 --> 02:34:39,280
most

4230
02:34:44,230 --> 02:34:40,399
tiny

4231
02:34:46,550 --> 02:34:44,240
fractal at the far corner of the ufo

4232
02:34:49,270 --> 02:34:46,560
phenomena right like i mean the owl is

4233
02:34:52,710 --> 02:34:49,280
the most insignificant part of the

4234
02:34:54,710 --> 02:34:52,720
overall grand ufo

4235
02:34:56,870 --> 02:34:54,720
bag of worms right i mean how you know

4236
02:34:58,389 --> 02:34:56,880
like for you but you know oftentimes

4237
02:35:00,309 --> 02:34:58,399
you'll pick up a ufo book and owl gets

4238
02:35:02,309 --> 02:35:00,319
mentioned once one page and i've done a

4239
02:35:03,110 --> 02:35:02,319
lot of searches of books so i can say

4240
02:35:05,030 --> 02:35:03,120
that with

4241
02:35:07,110 --> 02:35:05,040
with authority it gets mentioned a

4242
02:35:08,469 --> 02:35:07,120
little teeny oh and then they saw an all

4243
02:35:09,910 --> 02:35:08,479
over and then they just the big thick

4244
02:35:11,670 --> 02:35:09,920
book and that's the only mention you get

4245
02:35:14,309 --> 02:35:11,680
so it's this tiny part of a big

4246
02:35:16,070 --> 02:35:14,319
phenomenon but in looking at it i

4247
02:35:17,349 --> 02:35:16,080
produced a 400 page book and i'm just

4248
02:35:19,510 --> 02:35:17,359
about to publish another one that's

4249
02:35:21,110 --> 02:35:19,520
going to be you know over 100 pages why

4250
02:35:23,190 --> 02:35:21,120
like i picked the tiniest most

4251
02:35:25,830 --> 02:35:23,200
insignificant part of a great big thing

4252
02:35:27,830 --> 02:35:25,840
and stuff just gushed out everywhere i

4253
02:35:29,910 --> 02:35:27,840
mean i was like flooded with this stuff

4254
02:35:31,990 --> 02:35:29,920
i mean the stuff i didn't include is

4255
02:35:33,830 --> 02:35:32,000
just as good as the stuff i did include

4256
02:35:35,110 --> 02:35:33,840
and and it you know the only reason i

4257
02:35:36,630 --> 02:35:35,120
didn't include it because i would just

4258
02:35:37,670 --> 02:35:36,640
be telling the same story over and over

4259
02:35:39,349 --> 02:35:37,680
and over again it wouldn't do any good

4260
02:35:41,429 --> 02:35:39,359
to tell you know a chapter that was just

4261
02:35:43,110 --> 02:35:41,439
repeating the same story i'm i'm totally

4262
02:35:44,389 --> 02:35:43,120
enthralled on it so i have no problem

4263
02:35:46,070 --> 02:35:44,399
reading and

4264
02:35:47,910 --> 02:35:46,080
dissecting these same stories over and

4265
02:35:49,910 --> 02:35:47,920
over again but it just doesn't do it's

4266
02:35:51,510 --> 02:35:49,920
not gonna serve the reader any purpose

4267
02:35:53,190 --> 02:35:51,520
to to hear the same story over and over

4268
02:35:54,389 --> 02:35:53,200
again but so you know i picked the

4269
02:35:57,670 --> 02:35:54,399
tiniest little

4270
02:35:59,110 --> 02:35:57,680
insignificant nuanced speck of a great

4271
02:36:00,469 --> 02:35:59,120
big giant

4272
02:36:03,429 --> 02:36:00,479
mess of

4273
02:36:06,070 --> 02:36:03,439
you know conflicting ideas and it just

4274
02:36:07,590 --> 02:36:06,080
it was so fruitful so i mean so i don't

4275
02:36:10,870 --> 02:36:07,600
know what to say if i have a if i have a

4276
02:36:11,830 --> 02:36:10,880
drum to bang it's that this stuff

4277
02:36:13,110 --> 02:36:11,840
is

4278
02:36:16,469 --> 02:36:13,120
wildly

4279
02:36:19,349 --> 02:36:16,479
more complex and more nuanced and more

4280
02:36:20,790 --> 02:36:19,359
playful in many respects than than one

4281
02:36:23,270 --> 02:36:20,800
would dare

4282
02:36:25,270 --> 02:36:23,280
assume if they only watch late night

4283
02:36:27,670 --> 02:36:25,280
documentaries with you know with scary

4284
02:36:30,150 --> 02:36:27,680
music and and you know cheesy

4285
02:36:31,910 --> 02:36:30,160
reenactments

4286
02:36:34,630 --> 02:36:31,920
we've got to stay away from those cheesy

4287
02:36:36,389 --> 02:36:34,640
reenactments okay michael and we're just

4288
02:36:37,910 --> 02:36:36,399
about out of time would you tell our

4289
02:36:39,830 --> 02:36:37,920
listeners where they can find out more

4290
02:36:42,070 --> 02:36:39,840
information about the messengers and

4291
02:36:43,990 --> 02:36:42,080
your ongoing work

4292
02:36:45,990 --> 02:36:44,000
um the book is published by richard

4293
02:36:47,590 --> 02:36:46,000
dolan press you can go google richard

4294
02:36:48,870 --> 02:36:47,600
dolan press and it'll come right up and

4295
02:36:50,469 --> 02:36:48,880
you can search it out there you can go

4296
02:36:53,270 --> 02:36:50,479
to amazon you can search it out there

4297
02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:53,280
you can go to my blog which is

4298
02:36:55,910 --> 02:36:54,800
hidden experience

4299
02:36:58,950 --> 02:36:55,920
all one word hidden

4300
02:37:02,389 --> 02:37:00,790
you could google my name i'm the first

4301
02:37:04,950 --> 02:37:02,399
thing that comes up is if you google my

4302
02:37:05,990 --> 02:37:04,960
name and owls you'll go right to my blog

4303
02:37:08,870 --> 02:37:06,000
but the

4304
02:37:11,190 --> 02:37:08,880
so yes so so um this book is very much a

4305
02:37:12,469 --> 02:37:11,200
product of the internet era as far as

4306
02:37:15,270 --> 02:37:12,479
the way it was researched and the way it

4307
02:37:17,349 --> 02:37:15,280
was culminated and so just a simple

4308
02:37:18,710 --> 02:37:17,359
google search it should come right up

4309
02:37:20,950 --> 02:37:18,720
i have a

4310
02:37:23,590 --> 02:37:20,960
lot of backlogged

4311
02:37:24,870 --> 02:37:23,600
blog posts i haven't been attending to

4312
02:37:26,230 --> 02:37:24,880
the blog

4313
02:37:27,830 --> 02:37:26,240
in the last couple of years because i've

4314
02:37:28,710 --> 02:37:27,840
been so swamped with this book project

4315
02:37:31,190 --> 02:37:28,720
so

4316
02:37:32,550 --> 02:37:31,200
as the book project you know

4317
02:37:34,309 --> 02:37:32,560
is now complete hopefully i'll get a

4318
02:37:36,150 --> 02:37:34,319
little more back into the

4319
02:37:38,389 --> 02:37:36,160
um you know writing some articles for an

4320
02:37:39,990 --> 02:37:38,399
online forum we'll look forward to them

4321
02:37:42,630 --> 02:37:40,000
you can find us on twitter we're known

4322
02:37:44,950 --> 02:37:42,640
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4323
02:37:47,429 --> 02:37:44,960
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4324
02:37:49,190 --> 02:37:47,439
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4325
02:37:51,670 --> 02:37:49,200
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4326
02:37:53,750 --> 02:37:51,680
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4327
02:37:55,910 --> 02:37:53,760
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4328
02:37:58,630 --> 02:37:55,920
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4329
02:38:01,750 --> 02:37:58,640
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4330
02:38:04,309 --> 02:38:01,760
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4331
02:38:05,670 --> 02:38:04,319
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4332
02:38:07,190 --> 02:38:05,680
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4333
02:38:09,590 --> 02:38:07,200
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